▲ 481 ▼ Mom fired as sex-ed teacher after being exposed as convicted prostitute, working escort (abc6onyourside.com) submitted 2 years ago by Waldowal@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 306 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago (1 child) Active shooter drills? Super chill. Woman had sex? Mind blown and values changed forever! I wish you could see how you sound. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -28 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Some people view sex as something intrinsically beyond the purely transactional, and for those people it's immoral to treat sexual intercourse as a commodity. I'm somewhat undecided, but it does seem a bit like the final frontier of neoliberalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) What a useless word soup. Sex can absolutely be transactional if it suits two consenting parties. Your world view being as narrow as a drinking straw isn't a basis for how the rest of society chooses to live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whose worldview? I'm undecided. I've been reading about the lives of prostitutes in Bangladesh though, and it's heartbreaking. I'm definitely not a supporter of that side of the sex trade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's called cherry picking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) It might be if I was using it as the basis for an argument, but as I said, it's just something I've been reading about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weird, then, that you sandwiched it between two sentences that are specifically about your view on the morality of it. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm very suspicious of people that are this aggressively supportive of the sex trade. I suspect you know little of the realities behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Just a coincidence that it was included in the same comment as your argument lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* The one benefit of them spouting all of this irrational word soup is that I found an excuse to use the tagging feature of Boost! permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm not making an argument, I don't understand what you mean. I'm barely even expressing an opinion; at present I haven't reached any strong conclusions but can definitely see that the sex industry generates a lot of suffering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Should we punish those sex workers in Bangladesh? I’m not sure why their plight = sex workers should be punished. Sex work is fucking terrible. I have PTSD from some of the acts I was forced to participate in. Do you know why I was forced to participate in those acts? Because sex work is illegal, and advocating for myself in any way was impossible. Someone could choose not to pay me for my work, and because what I was doing was illegal, I had no recourse. I have often had to allow men to not use condoms or do really fucked up shit, because my other option was not getting to eat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Definitely not, although I'm referring to workers at the legal brothels in Bangladesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to stop the sex trade, then advocate for things like universal basic income. Sex workers aren’t the ones who have decided to treat sex as a commodity, they just recognize that others do and that they can use that to eat. Dissociating and letting some boomer wet their dick bought me rice and butter when I didn’t have any other option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I believe UBI or something is necessary. The worst excesses of the labour market are absolutely due to systemic economic coercion, including the vast majority of what goes on in the sex trade. Sex work advocates that view prostitution as some mutually beneficial exchange between equals are living in a fantasy world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, before neoliberalism prostitution didn't exist, so clearly it is good to victimize prostitutes, as that's just sticking it to neoliberals, the ones who invented prostitution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago That's all very far from a claim I'd ever made. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Do you think sex ed somehow cheapens sex? People understanding sex only makes it better for everyone in every way. There is nothing about sex ed that teaches anyone that sex is a commodity. My experience in public school was there was no morality involved whatsoever. It was very sterile and 100% about learning technical shit about how our bodies work. Invaluable information, I might add. And I grew up in what many would consider a liberal area, especially in terms of our local public education. Freaks like you who are obsessed with which genitals a child has, are incapable of separating the physiological aspects of sex from the emotional ones. Sex ed is not sexy, dude, it was awkward as fuck. If anything, it turned me off of sex. It's like saying that learning about the chemical processes used to make meth in chemistry class is the same thing as smoking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm an advocate of facilitated discourse and was highlighting what causes such polarisation in attitudes towards sex work/workers. Since some people view it as fundamentally immoral, that's a very difficult bridge to cross. Sex education is incredibly important and I'm amazed how bad it remains in many parts of the world. I'm unsure how or where children's genitals come into this. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -28 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Some people view sex as something intrinsically beyond the purely transactional, and for those people it's immoral to treat sexual intercourse as a commodity. I'm somewhat undecided, but it does seem a bit like the final frontier of neoliberalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) What a useless word soup. Sex can absolutely be transactional if it suits two consenting parties. Your world view being as narrow as a drinking straw isn't a basis for how the rest of society chooses to live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whose worldview? I'm undecided. I've been reading about the lives of prostitutes in Bangladesh though, and it's heartbreaking. I'm definitely not a supporter of that side of the sex trade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's called cherry picking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) It might be if I was using it as the basis for an argument, but as I said, it's just something I've been reading about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weird, then, that you sandwiched it between two sentences that are specifically about your view on the morality of it. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm very suspicious of people that are this aggressively supportive of the sex trade. I suspect you know little of the realities behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Just a coincidence that it was included in the same comment as your argument lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* The one benefit of them spouting all of this irrational word soup is that I found an excuse to use the tagging feature of Boost! permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm not making an argument, I don't understand what you mean. I'm barely even expressing an opinion; at present I haven't reached any strong conclusions but can definitely see that the sex industry generates a lot of suffering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Should we punish those sex workers in Bangladesh? I’m not sure why their plight = sex workers should be punished. Sex work is fucking terrible. I have PTSD from some of the acts I was forced to participate in. Do you know why I was forced to participate in those acts? Because sex work is illegal, and advocating for myself in any way was impossible. Someone could choose not to pay me for my work, and because what I was doing was illegal, I had no recourse. I have often had to allow men to not use condoms or do really fucked up shit, because my other option was not getting to eat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Definitely not, although I'm referring to workers at the legal brothels in Bangladesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to stop the sex trade, then advocate for things like universal basic income. Sex workers aren’t the ones who have decided to treat sex as a commodity, they just recognize that others do and that they can use that to eat. Dissociating and letting some boomer wet their dick bought me rice and butter when I didn’t have any other option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I believe UBI or something is necessary. The worst excesses of the labour market are absolutely due to systemic economic coercion, including the vast majority of what goes on in the sex trade. Sex work advocates that view prostitution as some mutually beneficial exchange between equals are living in a fantasy world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, before neoliberalism prostitution didn't exist, so clearly it is good to victimize prostitutes, as that's just sticking it to neoliberals, the ones who invented prostitution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago That's all very far from a claim I'd ever made. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Do you think sex ed somehow cheapens sex? People understanding sex only makes it better for everyone in every way. There is nothing about sex ed that teaches anyone that sex is a commodity. My experience in public school was there was no morality involved whatsoever. It was very sterile and 100% about learning technical shit about how our bodies work. Invaluable information, I might add. And I grew up in what many would consider a liberal area, especially in terms of our local public education. Freaks like you who are obsessed with which genitals a child has, are incapable of separating the physiological aspects of sex from the emotional ones. Sex ed is not sexy, dude, it was awkward as fuck. If anything, it turned me off of sex. It's like saying that learning about the chemical processes used to make meth in chemistry class is the same thing as smoking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm an advocate of facilitated discourse and was highlighting what causes such polarisation in attitudes towards sex work/workers. Since some people view it as fundamentally immoral, that's a very difficult bridge to cross. Sex education is incredibly important and I'm amazed how bad it remains in many parts of the world. I'm unsure how or where children's genitals come into this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) What a useless word soup. Sex can absolutely be transactional if it suits two consenting parties. Your world view being as narrow as a drinking straw isn't a basis for how the rest of society chooses to live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whose worldview? I'm undecided. I've been reading about the lives of prostitutes in Bangladesh though, and it's heartbreaking. I'm definitely not a supporter of that side of the sex trade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's called cherry picking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) It might be if I was using it as the basis for an argument, but as I said, it's just something I've been reading about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weird, then, that you sandwiched it between two sentences that are specifically about your view on the morality of it. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm very suspicious of people that are this aggressively supportive of the sex trade. I suspect you know little of the realities behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Just a coincidence that it was included in the same comment as your argument lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* The one benefit of them spouting all of this irrational word soup is that I found an excuse to use the tagging feature of Boost! permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm not making an argument, I don't understand what you mean. I'm barely even expressing an opinion; at present I haven't reached any strong conclusions but can definitely see that the sex industry generates a lot of suffering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Should we punish those sex workers in Bangladesh? I’m not sure why their plight = sex workers should be punished. Sex work is fucking terrible. I have PTSD from some of the acts I was forced to participate in. Do you know why I was forced to participate in those acts? Because sex work is illegal, and advocating for myself in any way was impossible. Someone could choose not to pay me for my work, and because what I was doing was illegal, I had no recourse. I have often had to allow men to not use condoms or do really fucked up shit, because my other option was not getting to eat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Definitely not, although I'm referring to workers at the legal brothels in Bangladesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to stop the sex trade, then advocate for things like universal basic income. Sex workers aren’t the ones who have decided to treat sex as a commodity, they just recognize that others do and that they can use that to eat. Dissociating and letting some boomer wet their dick bought me rice and butter when I didn’t have any other option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I believe UBI or something is necessary. The worst excesses of the labour market are absolutely due to systemic economic coercion, including the vast majority of what goes on in the sex trade. Sex work advocates that view prostitution as some mutually beneficial exchange between equals are living in a fantasy world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Whose worldview? I'm undecided. I've been reading about the lives of prostitutes in Bangladesh though, and it's heartbreaking. I'm definitely not a supporter of that side of the sex trade. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's called cherry picking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) It might be if I was using it as the basis for an argument, but as I said, it's just something I've been reading about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weird, then, that you sandwiched it between two sentences that are specifically about your view on the morality of it. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm very suspicious of people that are this aggressively supportive of the sex trade. I suspect you know little of the realities behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Just a coincidence that it was included in the same comment as your argument lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* The one benefit of them spouting all of this irrational word soup is that I found an excuse to use the tagging feature of Boost! permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm not making an argument, I don't understand what you mean. I'm barely even expressing an opinion; at present I haven't reached any strong conclusions but can definitely see that the sex industry generates a lot of suffering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Should we punish those sex workers in Bangladesh? I’m not sure why their plight = sex workers should be punished. Sex work is fucking terrible. I have PTSD from some of the acts I was forced to participate in. Do you know why I was forced to participate in those acts? Because sex work is illegal, and advocating for myself in any way was impossible. Someone could choose not to pay me for my work, and because what I was doing was illegal, I had no recourse. I have often had to allow men to not use condoms or do really fucked up shit, because my other option was not getting to eat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Definitely not, although I'm referring to workers at the legal brothels in Bangladesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to stop the sex trade, then advocate for things like universal basic income. Sex workers aren’t the ones who have decided to treat sex as a commodity, they just recognize that others do and that they can use that to eat. Dissociating and letting some boomer wet their dick bought me rice and butter when I didn’t have any other option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I believe UBI or something is necessary. The worst excesses of the labour market are absolutely due to systemic economic coercion, including the vast majority of what goes on in the sex trade. Sex work advocates that view prostitution as some mutually beneficial exchange between equals are living in a fantasy world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's called cherry picking permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) It might be if I was using it as the basis for an argument, but as I said, it's just something I've been reading about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weird, then, that you sandwiched it between two sentences that are specifically about your view on the morality of it. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm very suspicious of people that are this aggressively supportive of the sex trade. I suspect you know little of the realities behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Just a coincidence that it was included in the same comment as your argument lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* The one benefit of them spouting all of this irrational word soup is that I found an excuse to use the tagging feature of Boost! permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm not making an argument, I don't understand what you mean. I'm barely even expressing an opinion; at present I haven't reached any strong conclusions but can definitely see that the sex industry generates a lot of suffering. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) It might be if I was using it as the basis for an argument, but as I said, it's just something I've been reading about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weird, then, that you sandwiched it between two sentences that are specifically about your view on the morality of it. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm very suspicious of people that are this aggressively supportive of the sex trade. I suspect you know little of the realities behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Just a coincidence that it was included in the same comment as your argument lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* The one benefit of them spouting all of this irrational word soup is that I found an excuse to use the tagging feature of Boost! permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm not making an argument, I don't understand what you mean. I'm barely even expressing an opinion; at present I haven't reached any strong conclusions but can definitely see that the sex industry generates a lot of suffering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Weird, then, that you sandwiched it between two sentences that are specifically about your view on the morality of it. Grow up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm very suspicious of people that are this aggressively supportive of the sex trade. I suspect you know little of the realities behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm very suspicious of people that are this aggressively supportive of the sex trade. I suspect you know little of the realities behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, you're wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, that definitely settles the matter. Thank goodness for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yes it does. You don't have to accept it for it to be the case. Bye now! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Just a coincidence that it was included in the same comment as your argument lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* The one benefit of them spouting all of this irrational word soup is that I found an excuse to use the tagging feature of Boost! permalink fedilink source parent [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm not making an argument, I don't understand what you mean. I'm barely even expressing an opinion; at present I haven't reached any strong conclusions but can definitely see that the sex industry generates a lot of suffering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* The one benefit of them spouting all of this irrational word soup is that I found an excuse to use the tagging feature of Boost! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm not making an argument, I don't understand what you mean. I'm barely even expressing an opinion; at present I haven't reached any strong conclusions but can definitely see that the sex industry generates a lot of suffering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Should we punish those sex workers in Bangladesh? I’m not sure why their plight = sex workers should be punished. Sex work is fucking terrible. I have PTSD from some of the acts I was forced to participate in. Do you know why I was forced to participate in those acts? Because sex work is illegal, and advocating for myself in any way was impossible. Someone could choose not to pay me for my work, and because what I was doing was illegal, I had no recourse. I have often had to allow men to not use condoms or do really fucked up shit, because my other option was not getting to eat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Definitely not, although I'm referring to workers at the legal brothels in Bangladesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to stop the sex trade, then advocate for things like universal basic income. Sex workers aren’t the ones who have decided to treat sex as a commodity, they just recognize that others do and that they can use that to eat. Dissociating and letting some boomer wet their dick bought me rice and butter when I didn’t have any other option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I believe UBI or something is necessary. The worst excesses of the labour market are absolutely due to systemic economic coercion, including the vast majority of what goes on in the sex trade. Sex work advocates that view prostitution as some mutually beneficial exchange between equals are living in a fantasy world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Definitely not, although I'm referring to workers at the legal brothels in Bangladesh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to stop the sex trade, then advocate for things like universal basic income. Sex workers aren’t the ones who have decided to treat sex as a commodity, they just recognize that others do and that they can use that to eat. Dissociating and letting some boomer wet their dick bought me rice and butter when I didn’t have any other option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I believe UBI or something is necessary. The worst excesses of the labour market are absolutely due to systemic economic coercion, including the vast majority of what goes on in the sex trade. Sex work advocates that view prostitution as some mutually beneficial exchange between equals are living in a fantasy world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to stop the sex trade, then advocate for things like universal basic income. Sex workers aren’t the ones who have decided to treat sex as a commodity, they just recognize that others do and that they can use that to eat. Dissociating and letting some boomer wet their dick bought me rice and butter when I didn’t have any other option. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I believe UBI or something is necessary. The worst excesses of the labour market are absolutely due to systemic economic coercion, including the vast majority of what goes on in the sex trade. Sex work advocates that view prostitution as some mutually beneficial exchange between equals are living in a fantasy world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, I believe UBI or something is necessary. The worst excesses of the labour market are absolutely due to systemic economic coercion, including the vast majority of what goes on in the sex trade. Sex work advocates that view prostitution as some mutually beneficial exchange between equals are living in a fantasy world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay cool. But until UBI exists, sometimes sex work is the only option. It is systemic economic coercion, just like working any other shitty and abusive job. Making sex work illegal makes it more dangerous for sex workers. The demand will always exist, and people desperate enough to submit to that demand will always exist, as long as we don’t provide for all human beings. The biggest factor that made sex work not a “mutually beneficial exchange between equals” was the fact that it was illegal. I had zero protection from people choosing to stealth (ie, remove condoms mid act), or not pay me after the fact (always charge up front!). I did not have legitimate means of work, as the sex on my drivers license did not match my presentation. Punishing sex workers is the most bass-ackwards thing you can do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm not in favour of making sex work illegal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Necronomicommunist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, before neoliberalism prostitution didn't exist, so clearly it is good to victimize prostitutes, as that's just sticking it to neoliberals, the ones who invented prostitution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago That's all very far from a claim I'd ever made. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago That's all very far from a claim I'd ever made. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Do you think sex ed somehow cheapens sex? People understanding sex only makes it better for everyone in every way. There is nothing about sex ed that teaches anyone that sex is a commodity. My experience in public school was there was no morality involved whatsoever. It was very sterile and 100% about learning technical shit about how our bodies work. Invaluable information, I might add. And I grew up in what many would consider a liberal area, especially in terms of our local public education. Freaks like you who are obsessed with which genitals a child has, are incapable of separating the physiological aspects of sex from the emotional ones. Sex ed is not sexy, dude, it was awkward as fuck. If anything, it turned me off of sex. It's like saying that learning about the chemical processes used to make meth in chemistry class is the same thing as smoking it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm an advocate of facilitated discourse and was highlighting what causes such polarisation in attitudes towards sex work/workers. Since some people view it as fundamentally immoral, that's a very difficult bridge to cross. Sex education is incredibly important and I'm amazed how bad it remains in many parts of the world. I'm unsure how or where children's genitals come into this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago I'm an advocate of facilitated discourse and was highlighting what causes such polarisation in attitudes towards sex work/workers. Since some people view it as fundamentally immoral, that's a very difficult bridge to cross. Sex education is incredibly important and I'm amazed how bad it remains in many parts of the world. I'm unsure how or where children's genitals come into this. permalink fedilink source parent