▲ 2021 ▼ Night vs Morning people (startrek.website) submitted 2 years ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website [M] to c/memes@lemmy.world 176 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 53 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why? Night owls aren't allowed to sleep until they wake up by themselves? Morning persons are allowed to fall asleep whenever they want. You don't see us shouting just because you are already asleep before 12 'o clock. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -22 points 2 years ago (2 children) Day time just is the default living time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unceme@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago I get up at 6 and go to bed at 10 for work but I'm gonna be honest anytime before 9 am or after midnight is quiet hours imo permalink fedilink source parent [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Only because rich sociopaths decided that it was better to force the serfs into working at the same times than it was to allow people to work around the clock according to their own sleep schedules. Before you try to tell me that this isn't a rich people thing, you absolutely can't convince that it didn't start that way. Rich people's money may not trickle down, but their bad opinions and beliefs sure as hell do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Doesn't it come from farming and probably even before that, with humans being diurnal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And what about the humans who kept watch at night? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) They kept watch so rest of the tribe could sleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right, but they're not going to do their job very well if they're sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don't get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they're asleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I've been on night watch. Yes you aren't as alert when you're sleepy but that's just something you have to deal with. It's interesting theory that there's evolutionary nocturnal humans but I'm not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn't contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It's just the default with most being like that. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Schroed4@lemm.ee -29 points 2 years ago (4 children) Depends on how far we're talking here. 8pm bedtime? Reasonable. 4pm bedtime? Yeah no I'm not tiptoeing for you. Similarly, 8am wakeup? Ok I'll tiptoe if I can. Noon? Probably no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago "I only respect people who live similarly to me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZombieTheZombieCat@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) You shouldn't disturb other people whether they're asleep or awake. Buying a pair of slippers or flip flops for indoors and not slamming doors and cupboards isn't exactly a monumental ask at any time of day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I think that's fair and true so long as both parties can talk about it and come to an agreement and understanding. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) 8pm bedtime is not reasonable to us. In Belgium the law says we can make noise until 10 before neighbors are allowed to call the police. So by your logic, I can keep shouting next to the place you try to sleep for an other 2 hours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago I'm very confused by this statement. Does nobody in Belgium really go to bed before 10? If you knew your neighbor had to be up by 4am every day and had a child, and knew they had to go to bed by 8, would you not try to be nice if they were nice in kind? permalink fedilink source parent [–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never worked nightshifts? The cleaning crew at the hotel on my last business trips are always extremely noisy. But I've just hit the bed after my shift, some breakfast and a beer. Would be nice to at least once get 6 full hours of sleep... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I have not but I simpathise for you. I tried to word my reply to indicate that there were cases that didn't follow my rule of thumb... Cases like yours it makes sense to wake up... Frankly whenever. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee -22 points 2 years ago (2 children) Day time just is the default living time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] unceme@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago I get up at 6 and go to bed at 10 for work but I'm gonna be honest anytime before 9 am or after midnight is quiet hours imo permalink fedilink source parent [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Only because rich sociopaths decided that it was better to force the serfs into working at the same times than it was to allow people to work around the clock according to their own sleep schedules. Before you try to tell me that this isn't a rich people thing, you absolutely can't convince that it didn't start that way. Rich people's money may not trickle down, but their bad opinions and beliefs sure as hell do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Doesn't it come from farming and probably even before that, with humans being diurnal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And what about the humans who kept watch at night? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) They kept watch so rest of the tribe could sleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right, but they're not going to do their job very well if they're sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don't get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they're asleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I've been on night watch. Yes you aren't as alert when you're sleepy but that's just something you have to deal with. It's interesting theory that there's evolutionary nocturnal humans but I'm not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn't contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It's just the default with most being like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] unceme@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago I get up at 6 and go to bed at 10 for work but I'm gonna be honest anytime before 9 am or after midnight is quiet hours imo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Only because rich sociopaths decided that it was better to force the serfs into working at the same times than it was to allow people to work around the clock according to their own sleep schedules. Before you try to tell me that this isn't a rich people thing, you absolutely can't convince that it didn't start that way. Rich people's money may not trickle down, but their bad opinions and beliefs sure as hell do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Doesn't it come from farming and probably even before that, with humans being diurnal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And what about the humans who kept watch at night? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) They kept watch so rest of the tribe could sleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right, but they're not going to do their job very well if they're sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don't get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they're asleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I've been on night watch. Yes you aren't as alert when you're sleepy but that's just something you have to deal with. It's interesting theory that there's evolutionary nocturnal humans but I'm not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn't contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It's just the default with most being like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Doesn't it come from farming and probably even before that, with humans being diurnal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And what about the humans who kept watch at night? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) They kept watch so rest of the tribe could sleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right, but they're not going to do their job very well if they're sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don't get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they're asleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I've been on night watch. Yes you aren't as alert when you're sleepy but that's just something you have to deal with. It's interesting theory that there's evolutionary nocturnal humans but I'm not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn't contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It's just the default with most being like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And what about the humans who kept watch at night? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) They kept watch so rest of the tribe could sleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right, but they're not going to do their job very well if they're sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don't get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they're asleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I've been on night watch. Yes you aren't as alert when you're sleepy but that's just something you have to deal with. It's interesting theory that there's evolutionary nocturnal humans but I'm not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn't contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It's just the default with most being like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) They kept watch so rest of the tribe could sleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right, but they're not going to do their job very well if they're sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don't get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they're asleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I've been on night watch. Yes you aren't as alert when you're sleepy but that's just something you have to deal with. It's interesting theory that there's evolutionary nocturnal humans but I'm not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn't contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It's just the default with most being like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right, but they're not going to do their job very well if they're sleepy. Over time evolution is going to select for the nightwatchers who don't get sleepy and overlook the shadows in the night, leading to humans who are comfortable being awake at night, and humans who are comfortable being awake during the day. The day humans get food, make clothes, etc for the night humans who make sure the farmers, gatherers, etc are safe when they're asleep. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I've been on night watch. Yes you aren't as alert when you're sleepy but that's just something you have to deal with. It's interesting theory that there's evolutionary nocturnal humans but I'm not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn't contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It's just the default with most being like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I've been on night watch. Yes you aren't as alert when you're sleepy but that's just something you have to deal with. It's interesting theory that there's evolutionary nocturnal humans but I'm not sure how concrete that is. In any case, humans being diurnal isn't contingent on absolutely everyone being like that. It's just the default with most being like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Schroed4@lemm.ee -29 points 2 years ago (4 children) Depends on how far we're talking here. 8pm bedtime? Reasonable. 4pm bedtime? Yeah no I'm not tiptoeing for you. Similarly, 8am wakeup? Ok I'll tiptoe if I can. Noon? Probably no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago "I only respect people who live similarly to me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZombieTheZombieCat@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) You shouldn't disturb other people whether they're asleep or awake. Buying a pair of slippers or flip flops for indoors and not slamming doors and cupboards isn't exactly a monumental ask at any time of day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I think that's fair and true so long as both parties can talk about it and come to an agreement and understanding. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) 8pm bedtime is not reasonable to us. In Belgium the law says we can make noise until 10 before neighbors are allowed to call the police. So by your logic, I can keep shouting next to the place you try to sleep for an other 2 hours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago I'm very confused by this statement. Does nobody in Belgium really go to bed before 10? If you knew your neighbor had to be up by 4am every day and had a child, and knew they had to go to bed by 8, would you not try to be nice if they were nice in kind? permalink fedilink source parent [–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never worked nightshifts? The cleaning crew at the hotel on my last business trips are always extremely noisy. But I've just hit the bed after my shift, some breakfast and a beer. Would be nice to at least once get 6 full hours of sleep... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I have not but I simpathise for you. I tried to word my reply to indicate that there were cases that didn't follow my rule of thumb... Cases like yours it makes sense to wake up... Frankly whenever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sidhean@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago "I only respect people who live similarly to me" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombieTheZombieCat@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) You shouldn't disturb other people whether they're asleep or awake. Buying a pair of slippers or flip flops for indoors and not slamming doors and cupboards isn't exactly a monumental ask at any time of day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I think that's fair and true so long as both parties can talk about it and come to an agreement and understanding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schroed4@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I think that's fair and true so long as both parties can talk about it and come to an agreement and understanding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) 8pm bedtime is not reasonable to us. In Belgium the law says we can make noise until 10 before neighbors are allowed to call the police. So by your logic, I can keep shouting next to the place you try to sleep for an other 2 hours. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago I'm very confused by this statement. Does nobody in Belgium really go to bed before 10? If you knew your neighbor had to be up by 4am every day and had a child, and knew they had to go to bed by 8, would you not try to be nice if they were nice in kind? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schroed4@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago I'm very confused by this statement. Does nobody in Belgium really go to bed before 10? If you knew your neighbor had to be up by 4am every day and had a child, and knew they had to go to bed by 8, would you not try to be nice if they were nice in kind? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never worked nightshifts? The cleaning crew at the hotel on my last business trips are always extremely noisy. But I've just hit the bed after my shift, some breakfast and a beer. Would be nice to at least once get 6 full hours of sleep... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schroed4@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I have not but I simpathise for you. I tried to word my reply to indicate that there were cases that didn't follow my rule of thumb... Cases like yours it makes sense to wake up... Frankly whenever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schroed4@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I have not but I simpathise for you. I tried to word my reply to indicate that there were cases that didn't follow my rule of thumb... Cases like yours it makes sense to wake up... Frankly whenever. permalink fedilink source parent
