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Translators for Baldurs Gate 3 worked for 3 years translating more than 1 million words and Altagram Group only credited their execs and leads (twitter.com)
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[+] -111 points 3 years ago (4 children)

I don't see the issue here..did they expect to get their name in credits for doing their job? They can still put it on their resume...

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  • [–] 139 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    did they expect to get their name in credits for doing their job?

    Yes, that is the purpose of the credits. To credit people who did their job on the project.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago

    But that's not how it works for most outsourced vendors. When you look at movie or game credits and you see a sector headed by a company name, it's because that company was hired to do a certain task. And in that case you mostly only see the leads names listed, not the actual workers.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Are you ignorant, stupid, or a troll?

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  • [+] -57 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Nice, you can tell the reddit crowd has moved over when their side of the discussion is this :)

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I don't like the down vote button so I will spare you with that. Yes, they can still put it on their resume but what the employer did is scumbag move cause translation is a hard job to do well and good translator can make good money doing various job. In creative industry, credit listed is a big thing for anyone that starting out. If not so, why does movie, anime, game that have those long scrolling opening/ending credit?( A xxxxx Film, Directed by xxxxx, Produced by xxxxx.) For a video game, there is no "screen time" limit like movie/anime do, so not including the team and only the execs is like slapping those that worked really hard for the project to make it a better game.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I guess the disconnect is that this is common practice in most industries. Is it right? I can't really comment on that. Do team leads or EC members get their name on things when 100's of people worked tirelessly under them and they networked at the golf course? Yes..all the time in business. Maybe this is different in the gaming industry.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Have you ever watched a movie? Were you blown away by all the execs they added in the credits and assumed they must have had thousands of others under them not mentioned? Or do you not typically assume every other industry follows the same standard as yours?

    What you said is akin to me saying "Why are they expecting their name on things? The restaurant I work at doesn't put my name on the menu when I'm cooking that night."

    It's a different industry and I would be foolish to assume the standards in mine definitely should translate to others, and then confidently comment publicly about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    For outsourced companies it usually works like this in movie and game credits, yes. You get a section in the credits headed by your company name, then the names of the managers and the project leads. Individual workers for these vfx, sound etc companies are not listed in most cases.

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  • [+] -15 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I think it boils down less to comparing industries at the end of the day, and more about 'what do the actual supposed oppressed translators think'? I see a lot of white knighting and back seat posturing, but nothing from the supposed slighted translators. If in fact being listed in credits is that important, why wasn't it in their contract? One thing about any industry, don't assume something important is going to happen. Get it in your contract.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    If in fact being listed in credits is that important, why wasn’t it in their contract?

    Maybe because of the usual power imbalance between employer and employee? If there are enough other applicants, employers can dictate the terms. It‘s a bit like saying to a coal miner: “Oh, if not dying from black lung disease is sooo important to you, why wasn‘t that in your contract?”

    “I see a lot of white knighting”

    I hate this term. If you call people who care about injustices “white knights”, what do you call the people who go out of their way to defend injustices and take the side of the more powerful parties?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah and all that white knighting gives visibility to the issue and now Larian has reached out to ask for the full teams name to put in the credits. Good thing the common population doesn’t share your opinion or that never would have happened

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  • [–] -5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Except if there actually is an issue (we still haven't heard from the people affected by this) then this accomplishes next to nothing. If this generation continues to rely on fickle internet FOMO crap instead of, I don't know, actually attempting to solve their problems, nothing is going to get better. We've turned companies into 'internet responders' who care more about their internet image than actually taking care of their workers. If this group of workers is actually affected by this as negatively as the internet feels, then they need to work for change internally in their industry. This is just a shiny thing the internet picked up on before it moves on to the next.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Lmao that’s the most reaching argument I’ve ever heard in my life. Won’t anyone please save these poor companies from being “internet responders” and help them from pretending to care about their workers and forcing their hand to actually do something.

    After all the only change that matters is internal change. Conveniently the kind of change that the general public also has zero way of influencing so any time a company performs any kind of obvious injustice it’s obviously virtue signalling to mention it since we have zero influence on internal policy.

    Much better that companies not even give an appearance of giving a shit compared to the world we live in now where the direct problem people complained about is now being addressed

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  • [+] -7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Reading comprehension might be an issue for you. Never did I ever insinuate that the companies were in need of saving from this. But thanks for letting me know my points are wasted on you. Stick with your echo chambers I guess.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Reading comprehension might be an issue for you if you can’t understand sarcasm

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  • [–] -5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Oh nice, internet sarcasm? That's basically the "it's a prank, bro" when you get called out. Nice try though.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Wow would you look at that they even had internal policy changes because of internet white knighting. Granted we can take this with a heavy heavy grain of salt and their commitment remains to be seen but you’re just taking L after L

    https://www.eurogamer.net/baldurs-gate-3-translation-company-commits-to-change-after-leaving-staff-out-of-credits

    Altagram goes on to list seven commitments it will adhere to in order to ensure proper accreditation of its workers in future, including the establishment of an internal crediting commitmee, improved transparency between clients and staff, and a commitment to the IGDA guidelines which were set out earlier this year.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    It's funny to me that you think someones point of view differing from yours could be an L. You do realize we can have differing points of view, and I have yet to see an L in mine, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Not being able to read sarcasm you really do have a Reddit mindset

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I check back on this thread just to see if you have anything intelligent to offer. I'll probably just stop checking now..

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Wow that’s actually kind of pathetic that you’re so wrong and you don’t have a life

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    grabs popcorn Oh really? Tell me more! I always enjoy seeing a discussion devolve into middle school banter, it really helps me realize WHY you have the views you do. Because you're 13...

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I mean the fact that you’re so dumb that you think you need to open the thread to check for updates instead of just waiting for a notification that tells you if someone replies just speaks for itself

    Oh and then the sheer arrogance of you saying that the people who disagreed with you was the reddit crowd when the top comment of the Reddit thread was asking “who cares” like you were is just the best cherry on top

    Just to be clear calling you pathetic isn’t just a school ground insult it’s a statement of fact evidenced by your comments

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah I was wrong with the reddit comment. People like you living in your echo chambers is just an internet thing, not really a reddit thing. I'm ok with people like you on the internet calling me pathetic too, tbh. It means you had 0 comeback to the discussion. Look into argument debate info bro, what you just did is textbook 'I lost' stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Lmao the argument was settled when the public giving a shit has objectively helped credit the translation team. Hell the person who originally posted is a professional translator i.e. the closest you can get to the situation without threat of being fired for saying something.

    What do you call someone who spends all day refreshing a thread on the internet hoping for a response from an internet stranger?

    Pathetic. Hell you even BRAGGED about it to me. Like I said it’s a statement of fact. If you don’t believe me brag to your friends

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    ...You brag to your friends about internet arguments?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    Reading comprehension not your strong suit huh?

    I’ll break it down so you can understand

    I’m making fun of you for bragging about checking on your internet arguments and that if you told your friends they would also think you are pathetic

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I bet you someone contacted that guy to find and post that tweet. Mind you speak out against the company while employed is against the contract and can land you a law suit if you cause any reputation damage. So that answered your concern.

    To get it in contract is common practice in film/TV/game projects, it just need to become more popular idea for the localization side of gaming industry.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    They can put it on their resume but with out their name there's no proof they did any work. You can now put it on your resume and pretend you did it because no one is named.

    It's done out of fear someone else might know who did their work and someone else might hire them, so by not naming them they weaken the employees chance of getting work elsewhere.

    Stop defending this shit, this is a company dehumanizing their employees and your taking the companies side?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If you think this is dehumanizing, you got some rough lessons when you join the workforce. That being said, I'm not defending it in the least. I just think it's minuscule in the grand scheme of 'bad things a company can do to its workers' and if anything should teach the translators to get it in any future contracts. But then again, I'm in compliance management. I've seen companies discard poultry machines because they had a guard removed and they wanted to hide that from OSHA (and lawyers) to 'improve throughput' that then eventually cut a woman's hand half off, then fire employees who told OSHA who and why the guard was removed. Not getting your name credited on some work, OHTEHNOES THE TRAGEDY!! Fuckin grow up.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Let me know when you create something worth while or assist with that.

    You're speaking like a child who has never seen the real world. I worked in the games industry for 12 years. Trust me getting your name in the credits is a major thing, and being excluded is dehumanizing. It doesn't matter that there's worst thing, not getting the credit for your work is absolutely unacceptable, and you sill are somehow trying to defend it.

    Gross.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Stick to the gaming industry I guess. Not understanding that questioning something and saying there are much worse issues does not = defending. You might be better served pushing your compatriots to actually, I don't know, get things they want in their contracts. My guess is you're a late teen early 20s person working at gamestop for 12 years and feels that equals 'working in the industry for 12 years.' Good on you tho!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I worked on saints row red faction guerilla and Armageddon and another seven games. Now sit down and learn something about how the world actually works. You know why I can claim I worked on all those games? Because I have actual credits on each one.

    And I'm forty, next time you want to act like you know something pay attention. We are talking about the games industry so what I said matter, what you have said was insulting and continues to be so

    Grow up kid. One day you'll realize there's more than siding with corporations who will use you up

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago

    Sure ya are, son! And repeating incorrect assumptions ad nauseam doesn't make them correct. Siding with corporations? Acting like you know something because you don't pay attention, much?

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