▲ 531 ▼ Signal tests usernames that keep your phone number private (www.bleepingcomputer.com) submitted 2 years ago* by ZeroCool@feddit.ch to c/privacy@lemmy.ml 85 comments fedilink hide all child comments Link to discussion on the Signal community forums
[–] ZeroEcks@lemmy.ml 119 points 2 years ago (1 child) Finally permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) Now if they'd just let me run the damned client on more than one device so I can reply to messages from my tablet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm running it on phone, tab (long ago), and desktop... What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 000999@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) Maybe they mean how the messages don't sync between devices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, I thought that was by design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) But they do sync. They just don't keep messaging history, which is, as you say, by design. Signal doesn't keep copies of your messages so they cannot give you old message history if you connect your account to a new device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's true, but once you trust a new device, there's no reason the authority (your phone that has all history) couldn't transfer the history over to the new client. I get it would add some complexity, but it could be done in a secure and private way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that is also by design. If your account is compromised, you wouldn't want them to be able to pull messages from your existing devices. It kinda defeats the purpose of them not being stored on the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They could sync those between devices on the same network. It’s definitely possible to have both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptainS7ark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably mean run it on more than one phone. I'd love to run it on my iPhone and my android phone but it can't be run without a phone number on a phone afaik permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feef@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah this is a limitation that I’d also like they „fix“. permalink fedilink source parent [–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yup, exactly. I switch between phone and tablet during the day and signal is the only messaging client that makes me stop what I'm doing and pick up an entirely separate device to check messages and reply. A bunch of my friends ended up on telegram or matrix because the usage model just doesn't work for people who use multiple android or iOS devices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quickhatch@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Take a look at Molly for your tablet! permalink fedilink source parent [–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) deleted permalink fedilink source parent [+] roembol@lemmy.roembol.nl 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) Now if they'd just let me run the damned client on more than one device so I can reply to messages from my tablet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm running it on phone, tab (long ago), and desktop... What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 000999@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) Maybe they mean how the messages don't sync between devices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, I thought that was by design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) But they do sync. They just don't keep messaging history, which is, as you say, by design. Signal doesn't keep copies of your messages so they cannot give you old message history if you connect your account to a new device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's true, but once you trust a new device, there's no reason the authority (your phone that has all history) couldn't transfer the history over to the new client. I get it would add some complexity, but it could be done in a secure and private way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that is also by design. If your account is compromised, you wouldn't want them to be able to pull messages from your existing devices. It kinda defeats the purpose of them not being stored on the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They could sync those between devices on the same network. It’s definitely possible to have both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptainS7ark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably mean run it on more than one phone. I'd love to run it on my iPhone and my android phone but it can't be run without a phone number on a phone afaik permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feef@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah this is a limitation that I’d also like they „fix“. permalink fedilink source parent [–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yup, exactly. I switch between phone and tablet during the day and signal is the only messaging client that makes me stop what I'm doing and pick up an entirely separate device to check messages and reply. A bunch of my friends ended up on telegram or matrix because the usage model just doesn't work for people who use multiple android or iOS devices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] quickhatch@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Take a look at Molly for your tablet! permalink fedilink source parent [–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) deleted permalink fedilink source parent [+] roembol@lemmy.roembol.nl 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clif@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm running it on phone, tab (long ago), and desktop... What do you mean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 000999@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) Maybe they mean how the messages don't sync between devices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, I thought that was by design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) But they do sync. They just don't keep messaging history, which is, as you say, by design. Signal doesn't keep copies of your messages so they cannot give you old message history if you connect your account to a new device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's true, but once you trust a new device, there's no reason the authority (your phone that has all history) couldn't transfer the history over to the new client. I get it would add some complexity, but it could be done in a secure and private way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that is also by design. If your account is compromised, you wouldn't want them to be able to pull messages from your existing devices. It kinda defeats the purpose of them not being stored on the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They could sync those between devices on the same network. It’s definitely possible to have both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptainS7ark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably mean run it on more than one phone. I'd love to run it on my iPhone and my android phone but it can't be run without a phone number on a phone afaik permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feef@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah this is a limitation that I’d also like they „fix“. permalink fedilink source parent [–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yup, exactly. I switch between phone and tablet during the day and signal is the only messaging client that makes me stop what I'm doing and pick up an entirely separate device to check messages and reply. A bunch of my friends ended up on telegram or matrix because the usage model just doesn't work for people who use multiple android or iOS devices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 000999@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago (3 children) Maybe they mean how the messages don't sync between devices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] clif@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, I thought that was by design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) But they do sync. They just don't keep messaging history, which is, as you say, by design. Signal doesn't keep copies of your messages so they cannot give you old message history if you connect your account to a new device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's true, but once you trust a new device, there's no reason the authority (your phone that has all history) couldn't transfer the history over to the new client. I get it would add some complexity, but it could be done in a secure and private way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that is also by design. If your account is compromised, you wouldn't want them to be able to pull messages from your existing devices. It kinda defeats the purpose of them not being stored on the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They could sync those between devices on the same network. It’s definitely possible to have both. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptainS7ark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably mean run it on more than one phone. I'd love to run it on my iPhone and my android phone but it can't be run without a phone number on a phone afaik permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feef@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah this is a limitation that I’d also like they „fix“. permalink fedilink source parent [–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yup, exactly. I switch between phone and tablet during the day and signal is the only messaging client that makes me stop what I'm doing and pick up an entirely separate device to check messages and reply. A bunch of my friends ended up on telegram or matrix because the usage model just doesn't work for people who use multiple android or iOS devices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clif@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah, I thought that was by design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) But they do sync. They just don't keep messaging history, which is, as you say, by design. Signal doesn't keep copies of your messages so they cannot give you old message history if you connect your account to a new device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's true, but once you trust a new device, there's no reason the authority (your phone that has all history) couldn't transfer the history over to the new client. I get it would add some complexity, but it could be done in a secure and private way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that is also by design. If your account is compromised, you wouldn't want them to be able to pull messages from your existing devices. It kinda defeats the purpose of them not being stored on the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They could sync those between devices on the same network. It’s definitely possible to have both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] online@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) But they do sync. They just don't keep messaging history, which is, as you say, by design. Signal doesn't keep copies of your messages so they cannot give you old message history if you connect your account to a new device. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's true, but once you trust a new device, there's no reason the authority (your phone that has all history) couldn't transfer the history over to the new client. I get it would add some complexity, but it could be done in a secure and private way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that is also by design. If your account is compromised, you wouldn't want them to be able to pull messages from your existing devices. It kinda defeats the purpose of them not being stored on the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They could sync those between devices on the same network. It’s definitely possible to have both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fuzzzerd@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's true, but once you trust a new device, there's no reason the authority (your phone that has all history) couldn't transfer the history over to the new client. I get it would add some complexity, but it could be done in a secure and private way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that is also by design. If your account is compromised, you wouldn't want them to be able to pull messages from your existing devices. It kinda defeats the purpose of them not being stored on the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnculturedSwine@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like that is also by design. If your account is compromised, you wouldn't want them to be able to pull messages from your existing devices. It kinda defeats the purpose of them not being stored on the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago They could just make it opt-in, no? "New device X has logged in to your account. Do you want to transfer existing history on this device to it?" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] online@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) They removed this support, because it was misleading users who thought they were getting E2EE when using it as an SMS client. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub -1 points 2 years ago I'd be interested in utilization data before and after that change. Anecdotally, I use Signal much less after SMS was removed. With one app, I could opportunistically use Signal, when the other person had it, and send an SMS otherwise. Now I have to decide what kind of message to send before opening an app and learning my options. Most of those quick messages have moved back to SMS for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago They could sync those between devices on the same network. It’s definitely possible to have both. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptainS7ark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably mean run it on more than one phone. I'd love to run it on my iPhone and my android phone but it can't be run without a phone number on a phone afaik permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feef@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah this is a limitation that I’d also like they „fix“. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feef@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah this is a limitation that I’d also like they „fix“. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Yup, exactly. I switch between phone and tablet during the day and signal is the only messaging client that makes me stop what I'm doing and pick up an entirely separate device to check messages and reply. A bunch of my friends ended up on telegram or matrix because the usage model just doesn't work for people who use multiple android or iOS devices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] quickhatch@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago Take a look at Molly for your tablet! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LWD@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) deleted permalink fedilink source parent