▲ 236 ▼ Two Party System. Why. (lemmy.zip) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by balderdash9@lemmy.zip to c/memes@lemmy.world 89 comments fedilink hide all child comments EDIT: To the people downvoting this post because democrats > republicans: you’re missing the point.
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 108 points 2 years ago (3 children) I see the campaign to suppress Democrat voter turnout has started. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip [S] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) I've voted democrat for every election I can remember. And while I like to see my "team" win as much as the next guy, at some point you realize that other countries have better electoral systems in place. Meanwhile, we've all acquiesced to this 2-party winner takes all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] pm_me_your_quackers@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago Same. Democrats are shit but I mean...fuck republicans more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] franklin@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look I hate a two party system as much as the next person but the both sides are the same thing is just not true, don't say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) The most confusing thing to me is how Democrats can have majorities in the House and POTUS and their agenda gets inched along but the second Republicans have that their agenda gets rammed through asap. Is that a misconception? It certainly seems that Republicans make much more aggressive and active use of their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago If you're referring to relatively recent events (like the first 2 years of Biden's term) you need to look no further than Kyrsten Sienema and Joe Manchin. "Democrats" that opposed the agenda (and general Good Things(tm)) for personal greed and lobbying interests. Biden had a majority in the house, and a hostile supreme court, which we're going to be dealing with for a good long time that's to McConnell's fuckery. The defection of Sienema and Manchin made progress very difficult. It's also harder to get the wider variety of interests in the big tent of left to go in the same direction. Kinda like herding cats. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) House this is incorrect, the GOP controls the House atm. The Dems control the Senate. Really, take time to understand how legislation is crafted in a bicameral congress, it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say they controlled the house, I described what they do when they control the house. Do pay attention to the complexities of the English language, it's really worth it :-P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) how Democrats can have majorities in the House man I'm just reading what you wrote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] franklin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Gottem lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They clearly meant in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Test_Tickles@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The way to end the 2-party stranglehold is to implement RCV or similar, and the only party trying to do that is the Democrats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are? More info please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sadly, no. It benefits them to keep it the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) DC democrats do not represent Democrats nationally, but if you find that compelling, far more local Democratic groups support it: Alameda County (CA) Democratic Party California Democratic Party Colorado Democratic Party Maine Democratic Party Massachusetts Democratic Party Minneapolis, MN DFL Party Progressive Democrats of America Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles San Francisco (CA) Democratic Party Compare which cities and states have implemented RCV in the US, (mostly blue,) and which states have outright banned its use (mostly red.) Democrats did a big push for RCV in 2019, and while the Biden administration hasn't weighed in yet, the Obama administration he served in supported it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office Source. Not to say that a grassroots movement can’t enact RCV. But as we saw with Bernie, the establishment will not give up power easily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Oh. I thought we’d reached the ninth circle and hell had frozen. :-< permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago See my other post permalink fedilink source parent [–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) What country would you point to as a good example? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip [S] 16 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Sweden, Germany, Colombia, Australia, etc. Ranked/Alternative/Proportional voting. We should have multiple choices without fear of voting for less popular options being useless. With our current system we basically can't vote for third parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vqhm@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Let's not pretend that ranked choiced voting in Oz didn't elect Tony Abbott, the prototype for Trump's one liners and spewing hate. Every answer to whatever question: "Stap the boats" Don't get me wrong. I'm all for it. But it's not some silver bullet that will make all the party candidates turn into Jesus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It takes a while for the effects of party decentralization to take hold. The underlying party structure is at the core of two-party systems. RCV is just one incentive (a big one) to restructure parties to be more democratic and diverse, instead of coalescing into monolithic amorphous blobs. Along with Gerrymandering laws, campaign financial regulation and voter civic education. It all has to work in concert to dismantle the social control version of democracy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm skeptical of ranked choice voting being a panacea after watching Eric Adams get elected in New York permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Wtf NYC, electing a cop to be mayor ? Surely there were better options. permalink fedilink source parent [–] skulblaka@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, Malta, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have ranked choice vote. Slovenia had it previously but regressed to FPTP in 2021. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago They do and I'd love to have a better method available to us. However the meme is a little off. One party doesn't give a fuck about you, the other actively wishes you harm and works to that end. They're not "my team" but they're well past "the lesser of two evils" given the other one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MedicatedMaybe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is all over everything right now. It's giving me PTSD from 2016. Are we voting Jill Stein again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago If you'll match my donation I'll explain how Bernie can still win permalink fedilink source parent [–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) If the duopoly of our government is enough to convince folks not to vote, they weren’t going to vote anyway and were just looking for a reason. I don’t disagree with OP, but at the same time, we’ve only got one tool to enact change. So let’s use that tool to get things like ranked voting. But you’re also right, plenty of folks out there telling folks to give up. All the more reason to not in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The people we need most to turn out and vote this election season (18-24) are the most susceptible to this kind of campaign. And you very much can get them to vote with the right message. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago That’sa lie. I’ve voted every election since eligible age but fuck the two majors. I’m happy to write in, but I’m not keen on Cornell anymore either so I’m about to nope, unless someone better than the status quo comes along. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crackajack@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Give up? More like the Republicans are grasping for straws considering how bad they have done in local and midterm elections. They could be putting propaganda to dissuade Democratic voters, which I don't see happening anytime soon. Biden (and many Democrats) has surprisingly been more progressive for me as a leftist and many people appreciate that. My theory is that the pandemic and the government response to alleviate the costs after the lockdowns made Americans appreciate more government assistance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip [S] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) I've voted democrat for every election I can remember. And while I like to see my "team" win as much as the next guy, at some point you realize that other countries have better electoral systems in place. Meanwhile, we've all acquiesced to this 2-party winner takes all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] pm_me_your_quackers@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago Same. Democrats are shit but I mean...fuck republicans more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] franklin@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look I hate a two party system as much as the next person but the both sides are the same thing is just not true, don't say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) The most confusing thing to me is how Democrats can have majorities in the House and POTUS and their agenda gets inched along but the second Republicans have that their agenda gets rammed through asap. Is that a misconception? It certainly seems that Republicans make much more aggressive and active use of their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago If you're referring to relatively recent events (like the first 2 years of Biden's term) you need to look no further than Kyrsten Sienema and Joe Manchin. "Democrats" that opposed the agenda (and general Good Things(tm)) for personal greed and lobbying interests. Biden had a majority in the house, and a hostile supreme court, which we're going to be dealing with for a good long time that's to McConnell's fuckery. The defection of Sienema and Manchin made progress very difficult. It's also harder to get the wider variety of interests in the big tent of left to go in the same direction. Kinda like herding cats. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) House this is incorrect, the GOP controls the House atm. The Dems control the Senate. Really, take time to understand how legislation is crafted in a bicameral congress, it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say they controlled the house, I described what they do when they control the house. Do pay attention to the complexities of the English language, it's really worth it :-P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) how Democrats can have majorities in the House man I'm just reading what you wrote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] franklin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Gottem lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They clearly meant in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Test_Tickles@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The way to end the 2-party stranglehold is to implement RCV or similar, and the only party trying to do that is the Democrats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are? More info please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sadly, no. It benefits them to keep it the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) DC democrats do not represent Democrats nationally, but if you find that compelling, far more local Democratic groups support it: Alameda County (CA) Democratic Party California Democratic Party Colorado Democratic Party Maine Democratic Party Massachusetts Democratic Party Minneapolis, MN DFL Party Progressive Democrats of America Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles San Francisco (CA) Democratic Party Compare which cities and states have implemented RCV in the US, (mostly blue,) and which states have outright banned its use (mostly red.) Democrats did a big push for RCV in 2019, and while the Biden administration hasn't weighed in yet, the Obama administration he served in supported it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office Source. Not to say that a grassroots movement can’t enact RCV. But as we saw with Bernie, the establishment will not give up power easily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Oh. I thought we’d reached the ninth circle and hell had frozen. :-< permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago See my other post permalink fedilink source parent [–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) What country would you point to as a good example? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip [S] 16 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Sweden, Germany, Colombia, Australia, etc. Ranked/Alternative/Proportional voting. We should have multiple choices without fear of voting for less popular options being useless. With our current system we basically can't vote for third parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vqhm@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Let's not pretend that ranked choiced voting in Oz didn't elect Tony Abbott, the prototype for Trump's one liners and spewing hate. Every answer to whatever question: "Stap the boats" Don't get me wrong. I'm all for it. But it's not some silver bullet that will make all the party candidates turn into Jesus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It takes a while for the effects of party decentralization to take hold. The underlying party structure is at the core of two-party systems. RCV is just one incentive (a big one) to restructure parties to be more democratic and diverse, instead of coalescing into monolithic amorphous blobs. Along with Gerrymandering laws, campaign financial regulation and voter civic education. It all has to work in concert to dismantle the social control version of democracy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm skeptical of ranked choice voting being a panacea after watching Eric Adams get elected in New York permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Wtf NYC, electing a cop to be mayor ? Surely there were better options. permalink fedilink source parent [–] skulblaka@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, Malta, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have ranked choice vote. Slovenia had it previously but regressed to FPTP in 2021. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago They do and I'd love to have a better method available to us. However the meme is a little off. One party doesn't give a fuck about you, the other actively wishes you harm and works to that end. They're not "my team" but they're well past "the lesser of two evils" given the other one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pm_me_your_quackers@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago Same. Democrats are shit but I mean...fuck republicans more. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] franklin@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) Look I hate a two party system as much as the next person but the both sides are the same thing is just not true, don't say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) The most confusing thing to me is how Democrats can have majorities in the House and POTUS and their agenda gets inched along but the second Republicans have that their agenda gets rammed through asap. Is that a misconception? It certainly seems that Republicans make much more aggressive and active use of their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago If you're referring to relatively recent events (like the first 2 years of Biden's term) you need to look no further than Kyrsten Sienema and Joe Manchin. "Democrats" that opposed the agenda (and general Good Things(tm)) for personal greed and lobbying interests. Biden had a majority in the house, and a hostile supreme court, which we're going to be dealing with for a good long time that's to McConnell's fuckery. The defection of Sienema and Manchin made progress very difficult. It's also harder to get the wider variety of interests in the big tent of left to go in the same direction. Kinda like herding cats. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) House this is incorrect, the GOP controls the House atm. The Dems control the Senate. Really, take time to understand how legislation is crafted in a bicameral congress, it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say they controlled the house, I described what they do when they control the house. Do pay attention to the complexities of the English language, it's really worth it :-P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) how Democrats can have majorities in the House man I'm just reading what you wrote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] franklin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Gottem lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They clearly meant in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Test_Tickles@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) The most confusing thing to me is how Democrats can have majorities in the House and POTUS and their agenda gets inched along but the second Republicans have that their agenda gets rammed through asap. Is that a misconception? It certainly seems that Republicans make much more aggressive and active use of their power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago If you're referring to relatively recent events (like the first 2 years of Biden's term) you need to look no further than Kyrsten Sienema and Joe Manchin. "Democrats" that opposed the agenda (and general Good Things(tm)) for personal greed and lobbying interests. Biden had a majority in the house, and a hostile supreme court, which we're going to be dealing with for a good long time that's to McConnell's fuckery. The defection of Sienema and Manchin made progress very difficult. It's also harder to get the wider variety of interests in the big tent of left to go in the same direction. Kinda like herding cats. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) House this is incorrect, the GOP controls the House atm. The Dems control the Senate. Really, take time to understand how legislation is crafted in a bicameral congress, it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say they controlled the house, I described what they do when they control the house. Do pay attention to the complexities of the English language, it's really worth it :-P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) how Democrats can have majorities in the House man I'm just reading what you wrote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] franklin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Gottem lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They clearly meant in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Test_Tickles@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago If you're referring to relatively recent events (like the first 2 years of Biden's term) you need to look no further than Kyrsten Sienema and Joe Manchin. "Democrats" that opposed the agenda (and general Good Things(tm)) for personal greed and lobbying interests. Biden had a majority in the house, and a hostile supreme court, which we're going to be dealing with for a good long time that's to McConnell's fuckery. The defection of Sienema and Manchin made progress very difficult. It's also harder to get the wider variety of interests in the big tent of left to go in the same direction. Kinda like herding cats. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) House this is incorrect, the GOP controls the House atm. The Dems control the Senate. Really, take time to understand how legislation is crafted in a bicameral congress, it's worth it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say they controlled the house, I described what they do when they control the house. Do pay attention to the complexities of the English language, it's really worth it :-P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) how Democrats can have majorities in the House man I'm just reading what you wrote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] franklin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Gottem lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They clearly meant in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I didn't say they controlled the house, I described what they do when they control the house. Do pay attention to the complexities of the English language, it's really worth it :-P permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) how Democrats can have majorities in the House man I'm just reading what you wrote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] franklin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Gottem lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They clearly meant in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) how Democrats can have majorities in the House man I'm just reading what you wrote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] franklin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Gottem lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They clearly meant in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) They clearly meant in the past permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) there are words and phrases which could indicate that which they chose not to use, so clearly? really? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] goldenlocks@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I described what they do when they control the house permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vivadanang@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago poorly, maybe. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) The way to end the 2-party stranglehold is to implement RCV or similar, and the only party trying to do that is the Democrats. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are? More info please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sadly, no. It benefits them to keep it the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) DC democrats do not represent Democrats nationally, but if you find that compelling, far more local Democratic groups support it: Alameda County (CA) Democratic Party California Democratic Party Colorado Democratic Party Maine Democratic Party Massachusetts Democratic Party Minneapolis, MN DFL Party Progressive Democrats of America Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles San Francisco (CA) Democratic Party Compare which cities and states have implemented RCV in the US, (mostly blue,) and which states have outright banned its use (mostly red.) Democrats did a big push for RCV in 2019, and while the Biden administration hasn't weighed in yet, the Obama administration he served in supported it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office Source. Not to say that a grassroots movement can’t enact RCV. But as we saw with Bernie, the establishment will not give up power easily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Oh. I thought we’d reached the ninth circle and hell had frozen. :-< permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago See my other post permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) They are? More info please. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sadly, no. It benefits them to keep it the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) DC democrats do not represent Democrats nationally, but if you find that compelling, far more local Democratic groups support it: Alameda County (CA) Democratic Party California Democratic Party Colorado Democratic Party Maine Democratic Party Massachusetts Democratic Party Minneapolis, MN DFL Party Progressive Democrats of America Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles San Francisco (CA) Democratic Party Compare which cities and states have implemented RCV in the US, (mostly blue,) and which states have outright banned its use (mostly red.) Democrats did a big push for RCV in 2019, and while the Biden administration hasn't weighed in yet, the Obama administration he served in supported it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office Source. Not to say that a grassroots movement can’t enact RCV. But as we saw with Bernie, the establishment will not give up power easily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Oh. I thought we’d reached the ninth circle and hell had frozen. :-< permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago See my other post permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sadly, no. It benefits them to keep it the way it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) DC democrats do not represent Democrats nationally, but if you find that compelling, far more local Democratic groups support it: Alameda County (CA) Democratic Party California Democratic Party Colorado Democratic Party Maine Democratic Party Massachusetts Democratic Party Minneapolis, MN DFL Party Progressive Democrats of America Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles San Francisco (CA) Democratic Party Compare which cities and states have implemented RCV in the US, (mostly blue,) and which states have outright banned its use (mostly red.) Democrats did a big push for RCV in 2019, and while the Biden administration hasn't weighed in yet, the Obama administration he served in supported it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office Source. Not to say that a grassroots movement can’t enact RCV. But as we saw with Bernie, the establishment will not give up power easily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Oh. I thought we’d reached the ninth circle and hell had frozen. :-< permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) DC democrats do not represent Democrats nationally, but if you find that compelling, far more local Democratic groups support it: Alameda County (CA) Democratic Party California Democratic Party Colorado Democratic Party Maine Democratic Party Massachusetts Democratic Party Minneapolis, MN DFL Party Progressive Democrats of America Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles San Francisco (CA) Democratic Party Compare which cities and states have implemented RCV in the US, (mostly blue,) and which states have outright banned its use (mostly red.) Democrats did a big push for RCV in 2019, and while the Biden administration hasn't weighed in yet, the Obama administration he served in supported it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office Source. Not to say that a grassroots movement can’t enact RCV. But as we saw with Bernie, the establishment will not give up power easily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* The committee coordinates strategy to support Democratic Party candidates throughout the country for local, state, and national office Source. Not to say that a grassroots movement can’t enact RCV. But as we saw with Bernie, the establishment will not give up power easily. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago Oh. I thought we’d reached the ninth circle and hell had frozen. :-< permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) What country would you point to as a good example? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip [S] 16 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Sweden, Germany, Colombia, Australia, etc. Ranked/Alternative/Proportional voting. We should have multiple choices without fear of voting for less popular options being useless. With our current system we basically can't vote for third parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vqhm@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Let's not pretend that ranked choiced voting in Oz didn't elect Tony Abbott, the prototype for Trump's one liners and spewing hate. Every answer to whatever question: "Stap the boats" Don't get me wrong. I'm all for it. But it's not some silver bullet that will make all the party candidates turn into Jesus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It takes a while for the effects of party decentralization to take hold. The underlying party structure is at the core of two-party systems. RCV is just one incentive (a big one) to restructure parties to be more democratic and diverse, instead of coalescing into monolithic amorphous blobs. Along with Gerrymandering laws, campaign financial regulation and voter civic education. It all has to work in concert to dismantle the social control version of democracy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm skeptical of ranked choice voting being a panacea after watching Eric Adams get elected in New York permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Wtf NYC, electing a cop to be mayor ? Surely there were better options. permalink fedilink source parent [–] skulblaka@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, Malta, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have ranked choice vote. Slovenia had it previously but regressed to FPTP in 2021. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip [S] 16 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Sweden, Germany, Colombia, Australia, etc. Ranked/Alternative/Proportional voting. We should have multiple choices without fear of voting for less popular options being useless. With our current system we basically can't vote for third parties. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vqhm@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Let's not pretend that ranked choiced voting in Oz didn't elect Tony Abbott, the prototype for Trump's one liners and spewing hate. Every answer to whatever question: "Stap the boats" Don't get me wrong. I'm all for it. But it's not some silver bullet that will make all the party candidates turn into Jesus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It takes a while for the effects of party decentralization to take hold. The underlying party structure is at the core of two-party systems. RCV is just one incentive (a big one) to restructure parties to be more democratic and diverse, instead of coalescing into monolithic amorphous blobs. Along with Gerrymandering laws, campaign financial regulation and voter civic education. It all has to work in concert to dismantle the social control version of democracy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm skeptical of ranked choice voting being a panacea after watching Eric Adams get elected in New York permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Wtf NYC, electing a cop to be mayor ? Surely there were better options. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vqhm@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Let's not pretend that ranked choiced voting in Oz didn't elect Tony Abbott, the prototype for Trump's one liners and spewing hate. Every answer to whatever question: "Stap the boats" Don't get me wrong. I'm all for it. But it's not some silver bullet that will make all the party candidates turn into Jesus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It takes a while for the effects of party decentralization to take hold. The underlying party structure is at the core of two-party systems. RCV is just one incentive (a big one) to restructure parties to be more democratic and diverse, instead of coalescing into monolithic amorphous blobs. Along with Gerrymandering laws, campaign financial regulation and voter civic education. It all has to work in concert to dismantle the social control version of democracy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It takes a while for the effects of party decentralization to take hold. The underlying party structure is at the core of two-party systems. RCV is just one incentive (a big one) to restructure parties to be more democratic and diverse, instead of coalescing into monolithic amorphous blobs. Along with Gerrymandering laws, campaign financial regulation and voter civic education. It all has to work in concert to dismantle the social control version of democracy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm skeptical of ranked choice voting being a panacea after watching Eric Adams get elected in New York permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Wtf NYC, electing a cop to be mayor ? Surely there were better options. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Wtf NYC, electing a cop to be mayor ? Surely there were better options. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skulblaka@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, Malta, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have ranked choice vote. Slovenia had it previously but regressed to FPTP in 2021. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doug@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago They do and I'd love to have a better method available to us. However the meme is a little off. One party doesn't give a fuck about you, the other actively wishes you harm and works to that end. They're not "my team" but they're well past "the lesser of two evils" given the other one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MedicatedMaybe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is all over everything right now. It's giving me PTSD from 2016. Are we voting Jill Stein again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago If you'll match my donation I'll explain how Bernie can still win permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago If you'll match my donation I'll explain how Bernie can still win permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) If the duopoly of our government is enough to convince folks not to vote, they weren’t going to vote anyway and were just looking for a reason. I don’t disagree with OP, but at the same time, we’ve only got one tool to enact change. So let’s use that tool to get things like ranked voting. But you’re also right, plenty of folks out there telling folks to give up. All the more reason to not in my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The people we need most to turn out and vote this election season (18-24) are the most susceptible to this kind of campaign. And you very much can get them to vote with the right message. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago That’sa lie. I’ve voted every election since eligible age but fuck the two majors. I’m happy to write in, but I’m not keen on Cornell anymore either so I’m about to nope, unless someone better than the status quo comes along. permalink fedilink source parent [–] crackajack@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Give up? More like the Republicans are grasping for straws considering how bad they have done in local and midterm elections. They could be putting propaganda to dissuade Democratic voters, which I don't see happening anytime soon. Biden (and many Democrats) has surprisingly been more progressive for me as a leftist and many people appreciate that. My theory is that the pandemic and the government response to alleviate the costs after the lockdowns made Americans appreciate more government assistance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The people we need most to turn out and vote this election season (18-24) are the most susceptible to this kind of campaign. And you very much can get them to vote with the right message. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maeve@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago That’sa lie. I’ve voted every election since eligible age but fuck the two majors. I’m happy to write in, but I’m not keen on Cornell anymore either so I’m about to nope, unless someone better than the status quo comes along. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Give up? More like the Republicans are grasping for straws considering how bad they have done in local and midterm elections. They could be putting propaganda to dissuade Democratic voters, which I don't see happening anytime soon. Biden (and many Democrats) has surprisingly been more progressive for me as a leftist and many people appreciate that. My theory is that the pandemic and the government response to alleviate the costs after the lockdowns made Americans appreciate more government assistance. permalink fedilink source parent
