▲ 91 ▼ Settle a debate: would eating a Venus fly trap be considered vegan? (slrpnk.net) submitted 2 years ago by Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml 153 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) Veganism is about sentience permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If you could operate a series of trolley problems regarding sentience for the average vegan, would a somewhat quantifiable hierarchy arise? For example, would a vegan save one human over three pigs, or over 100 pigs? If a vegan could use vegan means to prevent the death of all mosquitoes without upsetting the ecology of the planet Earth, but the mosquitoes would then start infecting more humans with hazardous but non-deadly diseases, should the vegan attempt those means? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xeddyx@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I can't speak for other vegans, but as a vegan, I'd pick an animal's life over a human's, so your trolly problem is easy for me. Fuck humans, there are over 8 billion of us and we don't need any more; fewer there are, the better it is for this planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anarchost@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ecofascism? That you? permalink fedilink source parent [+] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Trd@lemmy.wtf -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Is milk sentience, eggs? Or what about dead fish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Specifically it’s about the consent of any sentient beings involved in the production. Milk and eggs are fine as long as you’ve acquired them via free market exchange with the animal that produced them. n Like, breast milk from a woman is okay for a vegan to eat as long as it wasn’t forcibly taken from her. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which, to be clear, .00001% of human consumed milk doesn’t involve torturing cows and stealing their babies permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Right. Until uplift, cow’s milk can’t be vegan because cows can’t consent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is this a joke or are you a moron? We forcibly impregnate cows and steal their children… and then do it over and over again until they die I’m not vegan, but do you seriously not get how animal suffering works? Go watch Earthlings or Dominion if you’re curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You’re being purposefully obtuse. It’s not entertaining permalink fedilink source parent [–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 2 years ago Dead fish? Do yiu think most people are eating them alive? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If you could operate a series of trolley problems regarding sentience for the average vegan, would a somewhat quantifiable hierarchy arise? For example, would a vegan save one human over three pigs, or over 100 pigs? If a vegan could use vegan means to prevent the death of all mosquitoes without upsetting the ecology of the planet Earth, but the mosquitoes would then start infecting more humans with hazardous but non-deadly diseases, should the vegan attempt those means? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xeddyx@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I can't speak for other vegans, but as a vegan, I'd pick an animal's life over a human's, so your trolly problem is easy for me. Fuck humans, there are over 8 billion of us and we don't need any more; fewer there are, the better it is for this planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anarchost@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ecofascism? That you? permalink fedilink source parent [+] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xeddyx@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I can't speak for other vegans, but as a vegan, I'd pick an animal's life over a human's, so your trolly problem is easy for me. Fuck humans, there are over 8 billion of us and we don't need any more; fewer there are, the better it is for this planet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anarchost@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Ecofascism? That you? permalink fedilink source parent [+] anarchost@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Trd@lemmy.wtf -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Is milk sentience, eggs? Or what about dead fish? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Specifically it’s about the consent of any sentient beings involved in the production. Milk and eggs are fine as long as you’ve acquired them via free market exchange with the animal that produced them. n Like, breast milk from a woman is okay for a vegan to eat as long as it wasn’t forcibly taken from her. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which, to be clear, .00001% of human consumed milk doesn’t involve torturing cows and stealing their babies permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Right. Until uplift, cow’s milk can’t be vegan because cows can’t consent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is this a joke or are you a moron? We forcibly impregnate cows and steal their children… and then do it over and over again until they die I’m not vegan, but do you seriously not get how animal suffering works? Go watch Earthlings or Dominion if you’re curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You’re being purposefully obtuse. It’s not entertaining permalink fedilink source parent [–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 2 years ago Dead fish? Do yiu think most people are eating them alive? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Specifically it’s about the consent of any sentient beings involved in the production. Milk and eggs are fine as long as you’ve acquired them via free market exchange with the animal that produced them. n Like, breast milk from a woman is okay for a vegan to eat as long as it wasn’t forcibly taken from her. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which, to be clear, .00001% of human consumed milk doesn’t involve torturing cows and stealing their babies permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Right. Until uplift, cow’s milk can’t be vegan because cows can’t consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which, to be clear, .00001% of human consumed milk doesn’t involve torturing cows and stealing their babies permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Right. Until uplift, cow’s milk can’t be vegan because cows can’t consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Right. Until uplift, cow’s milk can’t be vegan because cows can’t consent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is this a joke or are you a moron? We forcibly impregnate cows and steal their children… and then do it over and over again until they die I’m not vegan, but do you seriously not get how animal suffering works? Go watch Earthlings or Dominion if you’re curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You’re being purposefully obtuse. It’s not entertaining permalink fedilink source parent
[+] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You’re being purposefully obtuse. It’s not entertaining permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You’re being purposefully obtuse. It’s not entertaining permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 2 years ago Dead fish? Do yiu think most people are eating them alive? permalink fedilink source parent