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[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (38 children) How the hell can we ignore the mindless murdering of innocent families. This is not war it is the genocide that has been planned for a long time permalink fedilink source hideshow 42 child comments replies: [+] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Tigray, West Papua, Oromia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Western Sahara, Ituri, Xinjiang... But that does not mean we should be silent on this latest. Really, we should be letting our representatives know we protest all of these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) But people don't protest these things. Most do not give a fuck. They are very invested though, when Jews are involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because the west supports the genocidal country, and the U.S. is directly funding the genocide (in the 10s of billions, I believe). So, theoretically, if there is enough dissent from western civilians, the west could exert enough political and economic pressure on Israel to stop the genocide and end the apartheid (since Israel is so dependent on the west). I admit, I'm a bit ignorant of the most of the other genocides listed above, but I don't think the U.S. directly supported the genocidal groups to the same degree, and I think those genocides would've needed direct military action to end. In the case of Xinjiang, I don't think the U.S. could do anything about that without causing great harm to itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US was literally refuelling Saudi Aircraft mid-air so they could continue to bomb Yemen. I don't think there was ever such a level of Involvement from any western country in the Israel-Palestine conflict. 300 000 - 400 000 deaths, btw. Probably an order of magnitude worse than the whole Israel conflict, in merely a decade. How do you explain such an enormous level of difference in how much people care, if it's not about the Jews? permalink fedilink source parent [–] livus@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago* @Syntha only if the Jewish people happen to be living in Israel. Western news media is way more interested in Israel than it is in almost any of the other countries I mentioned. I think this is partly to do with the US because it seems to loom especially largely in their political consciousness. People care more about things they know than things they never heard of. Someone posted a very informative documentary about West Papua over in worldwithoutus recently and it was interesting to see how many youtube comments on it were from people who had previously had no idea what was happening there! And now they know, they do care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] burchalka@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) And continuous violence/genocide in Tigray region of Ethiopia. No one mass-protests those in NY, London or Berlin... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago @burchalka no, they don't, but although it didn't get airtime, the US for example expressed opposition to it and leveled economic sanctions against Ethiopia for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Ethiopia isn't a major "Ally" like Israel is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] goat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago And Uyghur genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't think it's difficult to understand that people feel moved by atrocities that are closer to them. The UK directly helped create present day Israel and the colonisation of Palestinian land. Our current government also supports Israel in their attack on Gaza, meaning our taxes are being used to fund weapons and aid the genocide that's happening right now. Of course people are protesting here. Does it mean people don't care about Tigray? Or course not, but we have less direct influence over what's happening there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MustrumR@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (7 children) I don't think that things are black and white here. But I have to agree a little. Israel did become a nationalistic autocracy and has deeply corrupt leadership. Still, not doing anything when they were attacked on the scale Hamas recently did, would be just stupid. The problem is that they should have kept the civilian casualties to minimum. Ideally under the amount of Israelis that died tho deflate grudges over time and show some degree of good will. Then again Hamas has never shown such incentive. And differentiating between Palestine civilians and Hamas collaborators or members is not an easy binary task. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think Israel is doing exactly the opposite of ignoring the mindless murdering of their innocent families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Youcve counted and compared the deaths of Israelis to Palestinians, plus considered the Palestinian children locked up with no rights or appeals etc. for at least 3 generations? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Is this about numbers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "I think Israel is doing exactly the opposite of ignoring the mindless murdering of their innocent families." For you, it indeed sounds like a tit-for-tat kill-for- kill system. If we were doing that, which we aren't and shouldn't be, then there'd need to be a lot more dead Israelis to balance the playing field. Obviously you can see why that is a horrendous idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) So if terrorist government A kills civilians, it's okay for murderous government B to take revenge by killing more civilians? Why does it matter where these people live, the only thing that matters is to stop killing them, depriving them of their freedoms and rights and hey, maybe even try to give them a happy life? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [+] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (34 replies)
[+] ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Tigray, West Papua, Oromia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Western Sahara, Ituri, Xinjiang... But that does not mean we should be silent on this latest. Really, we should be letting our representatives know we protest all of these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) But people don't protest these things. Most do not give a fuck. They are very invested though, when Jews are involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because the west supports the genocidal country, and the U.S. is directly funding the genocide (in the 10s of billions, I believe). So, theoretically, if there is enough dissent from western civilians, the west could exert enough political and economic pressure on Israel to stop the genocide and end the apartheid (since Israel is so dependent on the west). I admit, I'm a bit ignorant of the most of the other genocides listed above, but I don't think the U.S. directly supported the genocidal groups to the same degree, and I think those genocides would've needed direct military action to end. In the case of Xinjiang, I don't think the U.S. could do anything about that without causing great harm to itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US was literally refuelling Saudi Aircraft mid-air so they could continue to bomb Yemen. I don't think there was ever such a level of Involvement from any western country in the Israel-Palestine conflict. 300 000 - 400 000 deaths, btw. Probably an order of magnitude worse than the whole Israel conflict, in merely a decade. How do you explain such an enormous level of difference in how much people care, if it's not about the Jews? permalink fedilink source parent [–] livus@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago* @Syntha only if the Jewish people happen to be living in Israel. Western news media is way more interested in Israel than it is in almost any of the other countries I mentioned. I think this is partly to do with the US because it seems to loom especially largely in their political consciousness. People care more about things they know than things they never heard of. Someone posted a very informative documentary about West Papua over in worldwithoutus recently and it was interesting to see how many youtube comments on it were from people who had previously had no idea what was happening there! And now they know, they do care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] burchalka@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) And continuous violence/genocide in Tigray region of Ethiopia. No one mass-protests those in NY, London or Berlin... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago @burchalka no, they don't, but although it didn't get airtime, the US for example expressed opposition to it and leveled economic sanctions against Ethiopia for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Ethiopia isn't a major "Ally" like Israel is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] goat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago And Uyghur genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't think it's difficult to understand that people feel moved by atrocities that are closer to them. The UK directly helped create present day Israel and the colonisation of Palestinian land. Our current government also supports Israel in their attack on Gaza, meaning our taxes are being used to fund weapons and aid the genocide that's happening right now. Of course people are protesting here. Does it mean people don't care about Tigray? Or course not, but we have less direct influence over what's happening there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Tigray, West Papua, Oromia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Western Sahara, Ituri, Xinjiang... But that does not mean we should be silent on this latest. Really, we should be letting our representatives know we protest all of these things. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) But people don't protest these things. Most do not give a fuck. They are very invested though, when Jews are involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because the west supports the genocidal country, and the U.S. is directly funding the genocide (in the 10s of billions, I believe). So, theoretically, if there is enough dissent from western civilians, the west could exert enough political and economic pressure on Israel to stop the genocide and end the apartheid (since Israel is so dependent on the west). I admit, I'm a bit ignorant of the most of the other genocides listed above, but I don't think the U.S. directly supported the genocidal groups to the same degree, and I think those genocides would've needed direct military action to end. In the case of Xinjiang, I don't think the U.S. could do anything about that without causing great harm to itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US was literally refuelling Saudi Aircraft mid-air so they could continue to bomb Yemen. I don't think there was ever such a level of Involvement from any western country in the Israel-Palestine conflict. 300 000 - 400 000 deaths, btw. Probably an order of magnitude worse than the whole Israel conflict, in merely a decade. How do you explain such an enormous level of difference in how much people care, if it's not about the Jews? permalink fedilink source parent [–] livus@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago* @Syntha only if the Jewish people happen to be living in Israel. Western news media is way more interested in Israel than it is in almost any of the other countries I mentioned. I think this is partly to do with the US because it seems to loom especially largely in their political consciousness. People care more about things they know than things they never heard of. Someone posted a very informative documentary about West Papua over in worldwithoutus recently and it was interesting to see how many youtube comments on it were from people who had previously had no idea what was happening there! And now they know, they do care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) But people don't protest these things. Most do not give a fuck. They are very invested though, when Jews are involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because the west supports the genocidal country, and the U.S. is directly funding the genocide (in the 10s of billions, I believe). So, theoretically, if there is enough dissent from western civilians, the west could exert enough political and economic pressure on Israel to stop the genocide and end the apartheid (since Israel is so dependent on the west). I admit, I'm a bit ignorant of the most of the other genocides listed above, but I don't think the U.S. directly supported the genocidal groups to the same degree, and I think those genocides would've needed direct military action to end. In the case of Xinjiang, I don't think the U.S. could do anything about that without causing great harm to itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US was literally refuelling Saudi Aircraft mid-air so they could continue to bomb Yemen. I don't think there was ever such a level of Involvement from any western country in the Israel-Palestine conflict. 300 000 - 400 000 deaths, btw. Probably an order of magnitude worse than the whole Israel conflict, in merely a decade. How do you explain such an enormous level of difference in how much people care, if it's not about the Jews? permalink fedilink source parent [–] livus@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago* @Syntha only if the Jewish people happen to be living in Israel. Western news media is way more interested in Israel than it is in almost any of the other countries I mentioned. I think this is partly to do with the US because it seems to loom especially largely in their political consciousness. People care more about things they know than things they never heard of. Someone posted a very informative documentary about West Papua over in worldwithoutus recently and it was interesting to see how many youtube comments on it were from people who had previously had no idea what was happening there! And now they know, they do care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Probably because the west supports the genocidal country, and the U.S. is directly funding the genocide (in the 10s of billions, I believe). So, theoretically, if there is enough dissent from western civilians, the west could exert enough political and economic pressure on Israel to stop the genocide and end the apartheid (since Israel is so dependent on the west). I admit, I'm a bit ignorant of the most of the other genocides listed above, but I don't think the U.S. directly supported the genocidal groups to the same degree, and I think those genocides would've needed direct military action to end. In the case of Xinjiang, I don't think the U.S. could do anything about that without causing great harm to itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US was literally refuelling Saudi Aircraft mid-air so they could continue to bomb Yemen. I don't think there was ever such a level of Involvement from any western country in the Israel-Palestine conflict. 300 000 - 400 000 deaths, btw. Probably an order of magnitude worse than the whole Israel conflict, in merely a decade. How do you explain such an enormous level of difference in how much people care, if it's not about the Jews? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The US was literally refuelling Saudi Aircraft mid-air so they could continue to bomb Yemen. I don't think there was ever such a level of Involvement from any western country in the Israel-Palestine conflict. 300 000 - 400 000 deaths, btw. Probably an order of magnitude worse than the whole Israel conflict, in merely a decade. How do you explain such an enormous level of difference in how much people care, if it's not about the Jews? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago* @Syntha only if the Jewish people happen to be living in Israel. Western news media is way more interested in Israel than it is in almost any of the other countries I mentioned. I think this is partly to do with the US because it seems to loom especially largely in their political consciousness. People care more about things they know than things they never heard of. Someone posted a very informative documentary about West Papua over in worldwithoutus recently and it was interesting to see how many youtube comments on it were from people who had previously had no idea what was happening there! And now they know, they do care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] burchalka@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) And continuous violence/genocide in Tigray region of Ethiopia. No one mass-protests those in NY, London or Berlin... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago @burchalka no, they don't, but although it didn't get airtime, the US for example expressed opposition to it and leveled economic sanctions against Ethiopia for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Ethiopia isn't a major "Ally" like Israel is. permalink fedilink source parent [–] goat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago And Uyghur genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't think it's difficult to understand that people feel moved by atrocities that are closer to them. The UK directly helped create present day Israel and the colonisation of Palestinian land. Our current government also supports Israel in their attack on Gaza, meaning our taxes are being used to fund weapons and aid the genocide that's happening right now. Of course people are protesting here. Does it mean people don't care about Tigray? Or course not, but we have less direct influence over what's happening there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago @burchalka no, they don't, but although it didn't get airtime, the US for example expressed opposition to it and leveled economic sanctions against Ethiopia for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Ethiopia isn't a major "Ally" like Israel is. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lazylazycat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't think it's difficult to understand that people feel moved by atrocities that are closer to them. The UK directly helped create present day Israel and the colonisation of Palestinian land. Our current government also supports Israel in their attack on Gaza, meaning our taxes are being used to fund weapons and aid the genocide that's happening right now. Of course people are protesting here. Does it mean people don't care about Tigray? Or course not, but we have less direct influence over what's happening there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MustrumR@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (7 children) I don't think that things are black and white here. But I have to agree a little. Israel did become a nationalistic autocracy and has deeply corrupt leadership. Still, not doing anything when they were attacked on the scale Hamas recently did, would be just stupid. The problem is that they should have kept the civilian casualties to minimum. Ideally under the amount of Israelis that died tho deflate grudges over time and show some degree of good will. Then again Hamas has never shown such incentive. And differentiating between Palestine civilians and Hamas collaborators or members is not an easy binary task. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think Israel is doing exactly the opposite of ignoring the mindless murdering of their innocent families. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Youcve counted and compared the deaths of Israelis to Palestinians, plus considered the Palestinian children locked up with no rights or appeals etc. for at least 3 generations? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Is this about numbers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "I think Israel is doing exactly the opposite of ignoring the mindless murdering of their innocent families." For you, it indeed sounds like a tit-for-tat kill-for- kill system. If we were doing that, which we aren't and shouldn't be, then there'd need to be a lot more dead Israelis to balance the playing field. Obviously you can see why that is a horrendous idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] moriquende@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) So if terrorist government A kills civilians, it's okay for murderous government B to take revenge by killing more civilians? Why does it matter where these people live, the only thing that matters is to stop killing them, depriving them of their freedoms and rights and hey, maybe even try to give them a happy life? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Youcve counted and compared the deaths of Israelis to Palestinians, plus considered the Palestinian children locked up with no rights or appeals etc. for at least 3 generations? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Is this about numbers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "I think Israel is doing exactly the opposite of ignoring the mindless murdering of their innocent families." For you, it indeed sounds like a tit-for-tat kill-for- kill system. If we were doing that, which we aren't and shouldn't be, then there'd need to be a lot more dead Israelis to balance the playing field. Obviously you can see why that is a horrendous idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Is this about numbers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "I think Israel is doing exactly the opposite of ignoring the mindless murdering of their innocent families." For you, it indeed sounds like a tit-for-tat kill-for- kill system. If we were doing that, which we aren't and shouldn't be, then there'd need to be a lot more dead Israelis to balance the playing field. Obviously you can see why that is a horrendous idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "I think Israel is doing exactly the opposite of ignoring the mindless murdering of their innocent families." For you, it indeed sounds like a tit-for-tat kill-for- kill system. If we were doing that, which we aren't and shouldn't be, then there'd need to be a lot more dead Israelis to balance the playing field. Obviously you can see why that is a horrendous idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] moriquende@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) So if terrorist government A kills civilians, it's okay for murderous government B to take revenge by killing more civilians? Why does it matter where these people live, the only thing that matters is to stop killing them, depriving them of their freedoms and rights and hey, maybe even try to give them a happy life? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[+] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)