โฒ 1002 โผ Well, this is something! (files.mastodon.social) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Masimatutu@lemm.ee to c/europe@feddit.de 269 comments fedilink hide all child comments Meanwhile in Germany:
[+] Matombo@feddit.de -8 points 2 years ago (6 children) Where is nuclear fossil free? Show me the unranium tree please. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [โ] Masimatutu@lemm.ee [S] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) Even though it certainly isn't renewable, Uranium is not a fossil fuel. That would imply it's made with the remains of dead organisms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) While all power plants have a one time carbon cost to build and decommission, there is a continuous carbon cost to mining nuclear fuel. I think that's what GP was hinting at. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] nixcamic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nuclear fuel lasts so long in modern reactors that it's kinda a silly point though. What you need to be looking at is lifetime carbon costs per kWh, that's the only real meaningful comparison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Gladaed@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago A Single tank lasting long is not necessarily a good thing. It means you have to put in the effort up front. It also does not negate the cost of fuel/W permalink fedilink source parent [+] rurudotorg@feddit.de -12 points 2 years ago It's even worse than fossil fuel: Carbondioxide has its natural circle, if we stop burning fossil fuels nature can remove carbondioxide by itself. This does not work for uranium or plutonium, and the pathetic tries to get it into a circle have polluted e. g. Sellafield UK and other countrisides. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uranium is a radioactive element. Part of the periodic table. Not organic. It was made by exploding stars mainly if my memory serves me right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) ie not renewable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] lloydsmart@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not renewable but it is fossil free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This is going a bit too far for my old brain permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oil on the other hand is renewable. You just need to wait a while. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Oil is not, nor is coal. Oil and coal were laid down when plants died in absence of bacteria that could digest them Now wood rots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago That's a good point. I stand corrected permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Honestly, if you wait long enough, everything is. Even heavy chemical elements decay and split and break and eventually you get back to a proton and an electron (hydrogen) permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago* No, but still fossil free (which is how the original post described it). permalink fedilink source parent [โ] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Do you know what the word "fossil" means? permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Lamedonyx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Show me the rare earth tree for solar panels, or the carbon fiber tree for windmills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] Rubanski@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago There is zero percent rare earth in solar panels. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Matombo@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago At least these material are theoretical recycleable while uranium is not (once an atom is split you don't put it together again) permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You get that a "carbon fibre tree" is literally just a tree right? (also, wind turbines tend to be made out of much cheaper glass fibre. Admittedly this does not grow on trees, but unless you're willing to ban windows and home insulation too it doesn't make that much sense to complain about it.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago* Rayon's a different material, not carbon fibre. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Matombo@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I was mistaken as i thought fossil free == renewable, but the definition is actually different, which makes "fossil free" a useless goal. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Contend6248@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago* The lobby green washed it, that's how. The term fossil free is just easier to accomplish, we should be using environment friendly, because that's the goal. The last time i checked, producing environmental dangerous trash for millenniums isn't environment friendly. Even in the best case it's a bad solution, but now they are really really safe, not like before, trust me bro permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Masimatutu@lemm.ee [S] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) Even though it certainly isn't renewable, Uranium is not a fossil fuel. That would imply it's made with the remains of dead organisms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) While all power plants have a one time carbon cost to build and decommission, there is a continuous carbon cost to mining nuclear fuel. I think that's what GP was hinting at. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] nixcamic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nuclear fuel lasts so long in modern reactors that it's kinda a silly point though. What you need to be looking at is lifetime carbon costs per kWh, that's the only real meaningful comparison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Gladaed@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago A Single tank lasting long is not necessarily a good thing. It means you have to put in the effort up front. It also does not negate the cost of fuel/W permalink fedilink source parent [+] rurudotorg@feddit.de -12 points 2 years ago It's even worse than fossil fuel: Carbondioxide has its natural circle, if we stop burning fossil fuels nature can remove carbondioxide by itself. This does not work for uranium or plutonium, and the pathetic tries to get it into a circle have polluted e. g. Sellafield UK and other countrisides. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) While all power plants have a one time carbon cost to build and decommission, there is a continuous carbon cost to mining nuclear fuel. I think that's what GP was hinting at. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] nixcamic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nuclear fuel lasts so long in modern reactors that it's kinda a silly point though. What you need to be looking at is lifetime carbon costs per kWh, that's the only real meaningful comparison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Gladaed@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago A Single tank lasting long is not necessarily a good thing. It means you have to put in the effort up front. It also does not negate the cost of fuel/W permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] nixcamic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nuclear fuel lasts so long in modern reactors that it's kinda a silly point though. What you need to be looking at is lifetime carbon costs per kWh, that's the only real meaningful comparison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Gladaed@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago A Single tank lasting long is not necessarily a good thing. It means you have to put in the effort up front. It also does not negate the cost of fuel/W permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Gladaed@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago A Single tank lasting long is not necessarily a good thing. It means you have to put in the effort up front. It also does not negate the cost of fuel/W permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rurudotorg@feddit.de -12 points 2 years ago It's even worse than fossil fuel: Carbondioxide has its natural circle, if we stop burning fossil fuels nature can remove carbondioxide by itself. This does not work for uranium or plutonium, and the pathetic tries to get it into a circle have polluted e. g. Sellafield UK and other countrisides. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uranium is a radioactive element. Part of the periodic table. Not organic. It was made by exploding stars mainly if my memory serves me right permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) ie not renewable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] lloydsmart@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not renewable but it is fossil free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This is going a bit too far for my old brain permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oil on the other hand is renewable. You just need to wait a while. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Oil is not, nor is coal. Oil and coal were laid down when plants died in absence of bacteria that could digest them Now wood rots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago That's a good point. I stand corrected permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Honestly, if you wait long enough, everything is. Even heavy chemical elements decay and split and break and eventually you get back to a proton and an electron (hydrogen) permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago* No, but still fossil free (which is how the original post described it). permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) ie not renewable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] lloydsmart@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not renewable but it is fossil free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This is going a bit too far for my old brain permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oil on the other hand is renewable. You just need to wait a while. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Oil is not, nor is coal. Oil and coal were laid down when plants died in absence of bacteria that could digest them Now wood rots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago That's a good point. I stand corrected permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Honestly, if you wait long enough, everything is. Even heavy chemical elements decay and split and break and eventually you get back to a proton and an electron (hydrogen) permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago* No, but still fossil free (which is how the original post described it). permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] lloydsmart@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's not renewable but it is fossil free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This is going a bit too far for my old brain permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oil on the other hand is renewable. You just need to wait a while. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Oil is not, nor is coal. Oil and coal were laid down when plants died in absence of bacteria that could digest them Now wood rots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago That's a good point. I stand corrected permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Honestly, if you wait long enough, everything is. Even heavy chemical elements decay and split and break and eventually you get back to a proton and an electron (hydrogen) permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This is going a bit too far for my old brain permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oil on the other hand is renewable. You just need to wait a while. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Oil is not, nor is coal. Oil and coal were laid down when plants died in absence of bacteria that could digest them Now wood rots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago That's a good point. I stand corrected permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Honestly, if you wait long enough, everything is. Even heavy chemical elements decay and split and break and eventually you get back to a proton and an electron (hydrogen) permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Oil is not, nor is coal. Oil and coal were laid down when plants died in absence of bacteria that could digest them Now wood rots. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago That's a good point. I stand corrected permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago That's a good point. I stand corrected permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Yannotron@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Honestly, if you wait long enough, everything is. Even heavy chemical elements decay and split and break and eventually you get back to a proton and an electron (hydrogen) permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago* No, but still fossil free (which is how the original post described it). permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Do you know what the word "fossil" means? permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Lamedonyx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Show me the rare earth tree for solar panels, or the carbon fiber tree for windmills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] Rubanski@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago There is zero percent rare earth in solar panels. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Matombo@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago At least these material are theoretical recycleable while uranium is not (once an atom is split you don't put it together again) permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You get that a "carbon fibre tree" is literally just a tree right? (also, wind turbines tend to be made out of much cheaper glass fibre. Admittedly this does not grow on trees, but unless you're willing to ban windows and home insulation too it doesn't make that much sense to complain about it.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago* Rayon's a different material, not carbon fibre. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Rubanski@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago There is zero percent rare earth in solar panels. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Matombo@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago At least these material are theoretical recycleable while uranium is not (once an atom is split you don't put it together again) permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You get that a "carbon fibre tree" is literally just a tree right? (also, wind turbines tend to be made out of much cheaper glass fibre. Admittedly this does not grow on trees, but unless you're willing to ban windows and home insulation too it doesn't make that much sense to complain about it.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago* Rayon's a different material, not carbon fibre. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago* Rayon's a different material, not carbon fibre. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Matombo@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago I was mistaken as i thought fossil free == renewable, but the definition is actually different, which makes "fossil free" a useless goal. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Contend6248@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago* The lobby green washed it, that's how. The term fossil free is just easier to accomplish, we should be using environment friendly, because that's the goal. The last time i checked, producing environmental dangerous trash for millenniums isn't environment friendly. Even in the best case it's a bad solution, but now they are really really safe, not like before, trust me bro permalink fedilink source parent