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[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 44 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Pros: As an effect of him writing the script in the 90s, the movie feels like a 90s movie with modern fx. Cons: As an effect of him writing the script in the 90s, the movie feels like a 90s movie, with ancient overdone tropes, including the racist ones. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) oh come on, what racist tropes now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 30 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I mean the Na'vi are an infantilized hodgepodge of several shallow stereotypes of indigenous people precision designed to be sexy so the lowest common denominator sympathizes with them. The commenter may be referring to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) what stereotypes are these, for example? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 30 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The manner in which they talk the lack of technology greater than bows and arrows all plants and animals are treated as sacred outsiders are not welcome clothing that only covers up the naughty bits The Na'vi are basically native American stereotypes in every conceivable way, except blue and have tails. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don't mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na'Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn't. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago There must have been some primitive tribes that were nihilistic nothing is scared, did slash and burn farming, and animal torture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) oh come on, what racist tropes now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 30 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I mean the Na'vi are an infantilized hodgepodge of several shallow stereotypes of indigenous people precision designed to be sexy so the lowest common denominator sympathizes with them. The commenter may be referring to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) what stereotypes are these, for example? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 30 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The manner in which they talk the lack of technology greater than bows and arrows all plants and animals are treated as sacred outsiders are not welcome clothing that only covers up the naughty bits The Na'vi are basically native American stereotypes in every conceivable way, except blue and have tails. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don't mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na'Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn't. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago There must have been some primitive tribes that were nihilistic nothing is scared, did slash and burn farming, and animal torture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 30 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I mean the Na'vi are an infantilized hodgepodge of several shallow stereotypes of indigenous people precision designed to be sexy so the lowest common denominator sympathizes with them. The commenter may be referring to that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) what stereotypes are these, for example? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 30 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The manner in which they talk the lack of technology greater than bows and arrows all plants and animals are treated as sacred outsiders are not welcome clothing that only covers up the naughty bits The Na'vi are basically native American stereotypes in every conceivable way, except blue and have tails. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don't mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na'Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn't. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago There must have been some primitive tribes that were nihilistic nothing is scared, did slash and burn farming, and animal torture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) what stereotypes are these, for example? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 30 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The manner in which they talk the lack of technology greater than bows and arrows all plants and animals are treated as sacred outsiders are not welcome clothing that only covers up the naughty bits The Na'vi are basically native American stereotypes in every conceivable way, except blue and have tails. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don't mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na'Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn't. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago There must have been some primitive tribes that were nihilistic nothing is scared, did slash and burn farming, and animal torture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 30 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The manner in which they talk the lack of technology greater than bows and arrows all plants and animals are treated as sacred outsiders are not welcome clothing that only covers up the naughty bits The Na'vi are basically native American stereotypes in every conceivable way, except blue and have tails. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don't mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na'Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn't. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago There must have been some primitive tribes that were nihilistic nothing is scared, did slash and burn farming, and animal torture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? I don't mean native American, but for example look at the people on Sentinel Island or similar - I think this is what they were going for with the NaVi permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na'Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn't. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago There must have been some primitive tribes that were nihilistic nothing is scared, did slash and burn farming, and animal torture. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that not all true even for some tribes today? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IdealShrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) this is what humans were like for thousands of years, how is it racist to make characters based on that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I can't think of a culture that treated all plants and animals as sacred and apologized to them for killing them for food like in Avatar. That's a bullshit stereotype. Some indigenous American groups used to drive herds of buffalo off cliffs, harvest the meat they could carry and then leave the rest to rot. And that's just one of plenty of examples. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] havokdj@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Indian here, can confirm this is true. Nobility is on an individual scale, trying to say a whole race is "noble" and "certain traits", even positive ones, is racism. Racism is specifically trying to define someone based solely on " observable traits" from their race. I'd like to think I'm a pretty stand up guy, but I know some fellow Indians who are real pieces of shit, that's just how society works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You have fallen for the myth of the noble savage. A racists mischaracterization of non-western human groups born from the very heart of slavery and colonialism that is used as a justification for dehumanizing others as wild or natural state humans, distinct and separate from civilized domesticated humans. It invites a tacit sanctioning of treating “primitives” or “savage” people as different and non-human, “not like us”. It's the basis of several centuries of abuse, oppression, appropriation and destruction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago If you can confirm that James Cameron used Sentinel Island people as the direct design influence for the Na'Vi, you might have some kind of a point. But he didn't. He made them sexy babies with big eyes so he could override your Disney brain and sell some toys. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago There must have been some primitive tribes that were nihilistic nothing is scared, did slash and burn farming, and animal torture. permalink fedilink source parent