▲ 498 ▼ Environmental protester halt the world championship in cycling... one of the best alternatives to fuel driven transportation.... (lemmy.world) submitted 3 years ago by cosmicrookie@lemmy.world to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world 160 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 40 points 3 years ago* (4 children) And this makes us talk about the fact that cycling is one of the most environmentally friendly alternatives to fuel driven personal transportation. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] forpeterssake@kbin.social 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children) Yeah, there's a big difference between pro cycling and biking to get around. The pro peloton isn't remotely sustainable—lots of international travel, transfers of team cars, team buses, helicopters, signal relay planes, etc. I suppose no pro sport is green. But biking for transport is one of the most efficient and sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago Yeah, there's a big difference between pro cycling and biking to get around. Of course, but there's also a big difference between a cycling race and a car race. Neither are vital transportation, but one is a helluva lot more polluting for entertainment than the other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Of course. All in saying is that it makes us talk about how cycling is a good alternative to motor transport. Doing the pro peloton to work isn't an option. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I suppose no pro sport is green. SailGP claims to be trying, although I have... questions... about how they get both their boats and personnel from event location to event location, as well as the use of combustion-powered support boats during races. (Frankly, I won't really believe they're green until they've built a sailing cargo ship to schlep those racing catamarans around.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] dimspace@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Cycling might be. Cycling the sport isn't. The sheer volume of support cars, media cars, motorbikes at every race is utter insanity. That's before we get into the sponsorship from oil and chemical companies, and at least two sportwashing teams permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago sportwashing For the folks too lazy to look it up: Sportswashing is a term used to describe the practice of individuals, groups, corporations, or governments using sports to improve reputations tarnished by wrongdoing. A form of propaganda, sportswashing can be accomplished through hosting sporting events, purchasing, or sponsoring sporting teams, or participating in a sport. permalink fedilink source parent [–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Seems the protest was effective then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) Try cycling where I live and you'll hate the idea of cycling in a week permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago That's not a problem with cycling. That is a problem with city planning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 years ago Which isn't a excuse not to improve it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lazyplayboy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago They live on the international space station permalink fedilink source parent [–] nicman24@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Death roads most likely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I've commuted regularly by bicycle for almost 2 decades in 3 other countries, but were I am now - Portugal - I won't because drivers are stupidly dangerous (some of the worst in Europe judging by accident statistics), though unlike almost all of my countrymen here I refuse to buy a car and walk, use public transportation or at worst rent one when needed. The infrastructure isn't even worse than in Britain (were I did regularly cycle to and from work): it's just that when there are no segregated cycling lanes the quality of everybody else with you on the road makes a huge difference when you're the narrow crosssection (so harder to spot for drivers who just quickly peek on the mirrors and easy to fit on their blindspot) squishy, i'll protected and low-acceleration road user. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] forpeterssake@kbin.social 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children) Yeah, there's a big difference between pro cycling and biking to get around. The pro peloton isn't remotely sustainable—lots of international travel, transfers of team cars, team buses, helicopters, signal relay planes, etc. I suppose no pro sport is green. But biking for transport is one of the most efficient and sustainable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago Yeah, there's a big difference between pro cycling and biking to get around. Of course, but there's also a big difference between a cycling race and a car race. Neither are vital transportation, but one is a helluva lot more polluting for entertainment than the other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Of course. All in saying is that it makes us talk about how cycling is a good alternative to motor transport. Doing the pro peloton to work isn't an option. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I suppose no pro sport is green. SailGP claims to be trying, although I have... questions... about how they get both their boats and personnel from event location to event location, as well as the use of combustion-powered support boats during races. (Frankly, I won't really believe they're green until they've built a sailing cargo ship to schlep those racing catamarans around.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago Yeah, there's a big difference between pro cycling and biking to get around. Of course, but there's also a big difference between a cycling race and a car race. Neither are vital transportation, but one is a helluva lot more polluting for entertainment than the other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Of course. All in saying is that it makes us talk about how cycling is a good alternative to motor transport. Doing the pro peloton to work isn't an option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I suppose no pro sport is green. SailGP claims to be trying, although I have... questions... about how they get both their boats and personnel from event location to event location, as well as the use of combustion-powered support boats during races. (Frankly, I won't really believe they're green until they've built a sailing cargo ship to schlep those racing catamarans around.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dimspace@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Cycling might be. Cycling the sport isn't. The sheer volume of support cars, media cars, motorbikes at every race is utter insanity. That's before we get into the sponsorship from oil and chemical companies, and at least two sportwashing teams permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago sportwashing For the folks too lazy to look it up: Sportswashing is a term used to describe the practice of individuals, groups, corporations, or governments using sports to improve reputations tarnished by wrongdoing. A form of propaganda, sportswashing can be accomplished through hosting sporting events, purchasing, or sponsoring sporting teams, or participating in a sport. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago sportwashing For the folks too lazy to look it up: Sportswashing is a term used to describe the practice of individuals, groups, corporations, or governments using sports to improve reputations tarnished by wrongdoing. A form of propaganda, sportswashing can be accomplished through hosting sporting events, purchasing, or sponsoring sporting teams, or participating in a sport. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Seems the protest was effective then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (3 children) Try cycling where I live and you'll hate the idea of cycling in a week permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago That's not a problem with cycling. That is a problem with city planning. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 years ago Which isn't a excuse not to improve it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lazyplayboy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago They live on the international space station permalink fedilink source parent [–] nicman24@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Death roads most likely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I've commuted regularly by bicycle for almost 2 decades in 3 other countries, but were I am now - Portugal - I won't because drivers are stupidly dangerous (some of the worst in Europe judging by accident statistics), though unlike almost all of my countrymen here I refuse to buy a car and walk, use public transportation or at worst rent one when needed. The infrastructure isn't even worse than in Britain (were I did regularly cycle to and from work): it's just that when there are no segregated cycling lanes the quality of everybody else with you on the road makes a huge difference when you're the narrow crosssection (so harder to spot for drivers who just quickly peek on the mirrors and easy to fit on their blindspot) squishy, i'll protected and low-acceleration road user. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago That's not a problem with cycling. That is a problem with city planning. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 years ago Which isn't a excuse not to improve it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lazyplayboy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago They live on the international space station permalink fedilink source parent [–] nicman24@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Death roads most likely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I've commuted regularly by bicycle for almost 2 decades in 3 other countries, but were I am now - Portugal - I won't because drivers are stupidly dangerous (some of the worst in Europe judging by accident statistics), though unlike almost all of my countrymen here I refuse to buy a car and walk, use public transportation or at worst rent one when needed. The infrastructure isn't even worse than in Britain (were I did regularly cycle to and from work): it's just that when there are no segregated cycling lanes the quality of everybody else with you on the road makes a huge difference when you're the narrow crosssection (so harder to spot for drivers who just quickly peek on the mirrors and easy to fit on their blindspot) squishy, i'll protected and low-acceleration road user. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago They live on the international space station permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nicman24@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Death roads most likely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I've commuted regularly by bicycle for almost 2 decades in 3 other countries, but were I am now - Portugal - I won't because drivers are stupidly dangerous (some of the worst in Europe judging by accident statistics), though unlike almost all of my countrymen here I refuse to buy a car and walk, use public transportation or at worst rent one when needed. The infrastructure isn't even worse than in Britain (were I did regularly cycle to and from work): it's just that when there are no segregated cycling lanes the quality of everybody else with you on the road makes a huge difference when you're the narrow crosssection (so harder to spot for drivers who just quickly peek on the mirrors and easy to fit on their blindspot) squishy, i'll protected and low-acceleration road user. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago I've commuted regularly by bicycle for almost 2 decades in 3 other countries, but were I am now - Portugal - I won't because drivers are stupidly dangerous (some of the worst in Europe judging by accident statistics), though unlike almost all of my countrymen here I refuse to buy a car and walk, use public transportation or at worst rent one when needed. The infrastructure isn't even worse than in Britain (were I did regularly cycle to and from work): it's just that when there are no segregated cycling lanes the quality of everybody else with you on the road makes a huge difference when you're the narrow crosssection (so harder to spot for drivers who just quickly peek on the mirrors and easy to fit on their blindspot) squishy, i'll protected and low-acceleration road user. permalink fedilink source parent