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[–] 315 points 3 days ago* (6 children)

More OEMs should ship devices with Linux as an option, discounted by the Windows license cost.

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  • [–] 87 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

    Here in Brazil, a lot of vendors are offering laptops with linux, but they do this just to offer a lower price, and put the most weird distro possible, that no one knew existed, so everyone who buys have to install their own os. The bad thing about it is that it creates a really bad first impression about linux on common users, who mostly end up asking the tech person from the family to install windows for them

    Edit: another random fun fact: in order to offer a lower price, some brands around here also ship laptops with freedos, don't ask me why.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Why don't they just install Mint, Zorin, or even xUbuntu (XFCE versions of each)...

    That's 3 examples with actual support and a user base >3 edgelord cat bois.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    I ask myself the same question. I have no idea. Mine is from vaio and came with some sort of modded debian that looked like a stripped down win xp with custom repos that didn't even load properly.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Most distro maintainers would expect something for commercial licences. Can't have them take all your hard earned money! Max I can do is 0$.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    They just expect everyone to pirate windows

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Exactly, but if we think about it, just putting some random well-established distro would be faster and cheaper than creating their weird modded versions or making contracts with weird firms. Maybe they want to avoid any unexpected legal issues?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Maybe it has some known vulnerabilities? The more reputable sellers I've seen around here (I'm also from. Brazil) just ship Ubuntu, it's usually the sketchier vendors with the weird distros

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  • [–] 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    im surprised they don't just do the underhanded method of acquiring windows.

    well I'd imagine theres some stores willing to oblige doing that.

    curious sakes, what distro do they preload on customers.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    Around here, institutions are quire rigorous with that, so stores have to play by the book. Only very small shops can sell pirate software without getting caught

    About the distros, Each brand seem to put a different one, and they're all weird. Mine came with some sort of modded debian with alternate repos, but was very impractical for use, and ended up installing fedora over it.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    The problem there is Windows still has negative cost for OEMs due to all the bloatware they bundle.

    They get paid for that McAfee and Epic Games icon.

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  • [–] 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

    meanwhile on the Dell website

    EDIT: $100 of that difference comes from Win11 requiring an SSD upgrade from 512GB to 1TB

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    What currency is that? Windows 11 home is $140 USD.

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    They used to have agreements to make it difficult to do so. I don’t know if that’s still the case but it’s pretty awful. I think OEMs had to pay licenses for every machine shipped regardless if it had a windows license.

    The other issue is that oems have a large amount of compatibility and support built up over the years for windows. They also know their customers can deal with Microsoft for “support” and ignore driver and support costs for whatever distro of Linux they were to choose.

    Sure an OEM could lead the way and show everyone else the path to freedom but think of the shareholders

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    They used to have agreements to make it difficult to do so. I don’t know if that’s still the case but it’s pretty awful. I think OEMs had to pay licenses for every machine shipped regardless if it had a windows license.

    Correct.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago*

    The Framework laptops have been selling out with backlog orders now. But with new models recently out, all the Linux ones sold out well before the Windows ones.

    I think it just kind of goes to say, if you know a bit about computers, Linux is a go-to. Of course those that are a bit tech-savvy as well would just get a Windows one, clear it off and install the distro of their choice. Plus once upgrade is done, my OS and files are all there like nothing happened. Things like setting up Windows again on a new device or new install is like a full day task.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    they actually make money on many of those windows preinstalls due to all the bullshit they get paid to put on.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    The fun part is that they can bundle an equal amount of bloatware on linux for even more revenue.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    The actually funny part is that they can't. Most of the bloatware is not available on Linux because it doesn't support it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    I'm not sure what you mean... linux "supports" bloatware just fine, it's just that we don't have much of that kind of software (yet), and i'm sure they could get it all to run through winboat or somesuch if they really wanted to.

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