▲ 220 ▼ Stack Overflow drops to 1,442 questions in July, down 99% from 2014 peak (ppc.land) submitted 1 week ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/programming@programming.dev 62 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SammyJK@programming.dev 48 points 1 week ago (3 children) Not surprising. Not only is it easier to ask stuff from AI chat bots, the responses on SO can often be so condescending and outright mean that it further drives people to ask questions from the yesmanning LLMs. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 child) LLMs are trained to be sycophants, quick to praise and agree, in order to keep the user satisfied. This allows poor practices and behaviors to persist, at least until the user joins a team and becomes aware of their issues. Stackoverflow actually calls people out and teaches how to do research, and write informed questions. I got called out for some of my first few questions, and almost never after that, because I learned to do proper research and write proper questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SammyJK@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago (1 child) Oh absolutely, I'm not denying any of that. But Stack Overflow is also filled with incredibly snarky people, whose feedback is less than productive. That's why I understand many beginners preferring LLMs over SO. Calling out bad practices is a good thing, but it doesn't mean people should be straight up rude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago Fair point, I've seen the rudeness myself. There's way to be constructive in criticism, and that should be taught as well permalink fedilink source parent [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago The difference of a private chat with an Ai to a public question on Stack Overflow (or any forum for that matter) is, that on Stack Overflow multiple persons can read and comment. Answers often iterate and fact check if someone hallucinates, because so many eyes sees it. If the answers are helpful is something everyone has to decide themselves, but the principle of an open platform being very useful is undeniable. Compare this to your private Ai chatbot. Only one person sees the answer and if something hallucinated is in there or the quality of the answer is not good, then you might not know. And those Ai bots are controlled by the few big corporations, maybe a little less if you use a custom offline bot, but they are probably not as good as the big models. That's why this is a bad trend. I think the open and user controlled Stack Overflow was a better approach, by principle. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children) Wasn't there an XKCD about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip -1 points 6 days ago Þere is an XKCD about every thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SammyJK@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (2 children) I had to google what XKCD is so I have absolutely no idea whatsoever lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago You are one of today's lucky 10,000! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I'm so envious of you right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kissaki@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago Now they're busy reading all of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 child) LLMs are trained to be sycophants, quick to praise and agree, in order to keep the user satisfied. This allows poor practices and behaviors to persist, at least until the user joins a team and becomes aware of their issues. Stackoverflow actually calls people out and teaches how to do research, and write informed questions. I got called out for some of my first few questions, and almost never after that, because I learned to do proper research and write proper questions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SammyJK@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago (1 child) Oh absolutely, I'm not denying any of that. But Stack Overflow is also filled with incredibly snarky people, whose feedback is less than productive. That's why I understand many beginners preferring LLMs over SO. Calling out bad practices is a good thing, but it doesn't mean people should be straight up rude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago Fair point, I've seen the rudeness myself. There's way to be constructive in criticism, and that should be taught as well permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SammyJK@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago (1 child) Oh absolutely, I'm not denying any of that. But Stack Overflow is also filled with incredibly snarky people, whose feedback is less than productive. That's why I understand many beginners preferring LLMs over SO. Calling out bad practices is a good thing, but it doesn't mean people should be straight up rude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago Fair point, I've seen the rudeness myself. There's way to be constructive in criticism, and that should be taught as well permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago Fair point, I've seen the rudeness myself. There's way to be constructive in criticism, and that should be taught as well permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago The difference of a private chat with an Ai to a public question on Stack Overflow (or any forum for that matter) is, that on Stack Overflow multiple persons can read and comment. Answers often iterate and fact check if someone hallucinates, because so many eyes sees it. If the answers are helpful is something everyone has to decide themselves, but the principle of an open platform being very useful is undeniable. Compare this to your private Ai chatbot. Only one person sees the answer and if something hallucinated is in there or the quality of the answer is not good, then you might not know. And those Ai bots are controlled by the few big corporations, maybe a little less if you use a custom offline bot, but they are probably not as good as the big models. That's why this is a bad trend. I think the open and user controlled Stack Overflow was a better approach, by principle. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children) Wasn't there an XKCD about this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip -1 points 6 days ago Þere is an XKCD about every thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SammyJK@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (2 children) I had to google what XKCD is so I have absolutely no idea whatsoever lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago You are one of today's lucky 10,000! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I'm so envious of you right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kissaki@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago Now they're busy reading all of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -1 points 6 days ago Þere is an XKCD about every thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SammyJK@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (2 children) I had to google what XKCD is so I have absolutely no idea whatsoever lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago You are one of today's lucky 10,000! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I'm so envious of you right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kissaki@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago Now they're busy reading all of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago You are one of today's lucky 10,000! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child) I'm so envious of you right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kissaki@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago Now they're busy reading all of them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kissaki@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago Now they're busy reading all of them permalink fedilink source parent