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[–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world 42 points 3 years ago (6 children) that is just sad. yet so many will say sexism does not exist permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 20 points 3 years ago Intersectionality permalink fedilink source parent [–] tquid@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (4 children) It's as if, like, if you are a woman, and also in a disfavoured racial category, like, where they, uh, have overlap? Where they meet? It's not the same as either one individually but its own, I guess nexus? I feel like there's a better word for this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mercival@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* There's a somewhat niche, but clever word for this particular combo - misogynoir Coined by Moya Bailey in 2010 permalink fedilink source parent [+] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 3 points 3 years ago* but being a woman isn’t really a minority tho It depends on the context. In a Victoria’s Secret fashion show? Yeah, probably not the minority. In a tech role, which women are systemically harassed and bullied out of pursuing? Yeah, women are probably a minority. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's not what minority means in the sociological context. Volume is mathematical. Poor people are a minority and there's more of them than the 1%. Being a minority is about lack of power, prestige and property. And intersectionality is the more formal term, but 'double minority' gets the point across. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrazyEddie041@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago The term is "intersectionality". Conservatives really hated the term before they went all popeyed over "woke". permalink fedilink source parent [–] marzipan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago but being a woman isn't really a minority tho They certainly are in computer science permalink fedilink source parent [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago idk the point of your snark... people are still figuring out intersectionality. just give some education or stfu, dont condescend to people who are making an effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago @ReiRose@lemmy.world has it right, the term and idea is intersectionality. apropos of nothing, intersectionality came out of critical race theory's analyses of black womens outcomes in the legal system. the particular combination of oppression is literally the textbook example. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) The funny thing is that in my experience female programmers usually have above average skills. I suspect it’s exactly because of this bias against women in tech. Where an average or below average dude can easily get by, this is much harder for women. As a result this bias acts as a kind of filter which results in female programmers being on average a little better than male programmers because all the average or below average ones get filtered out early. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jonna@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Here's hard data to match your experience: "This paper presents the largest study to date on gender bias, where we compare acceptance rates of contributions from men versus women in an open source software community. Surprisingly, our results show that women's contributions tend to be accepted more often than men's. However, women's acceptance rates are higher only when they are not identifiable as women. Our results suggest that although women on GitHub may be more competent overall, bias against them exists nonetheless." https://peerj.com/preprints/1733/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That's probably just because women are smarter than men. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago I might add, in the hostile environment women may feel compelled to try harder at least to make a point. As in, "I'll show you what I can do". permalink fedilink source parent [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) This is also common in the guitar community. Some women can shred like mofos, and here comes Jim-Bob McGraw saying their playing is tracked etc., ad nauseum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Klear@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Girls can't play guitar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net -5 points 3 years ago Can... Can I be the one sitting in that chair? (。♡‿♡。) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does it mean if their playing is "tracked"? Genuinely have no clue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago Like they use a pre recorded track and then make a video Lip syncing for guitarists permalink fedilink source parent [–] drathvedro@lemm.ee -3 points 3 years ago Sure there are. But then there are girls like Melle Baby who overshadow them not by only wearing underwear. Seriously, how do I get her out of my recommendations? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Clbull@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, online gaming has all but confirmed to me that sexism is very alive and well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Igotz80HDnImWinning@kbin.social -1 points 3 years ago If she were a man, she’d be calling herself a polymath and everybody would be agreeing with her. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Taleya@aussie.zone -1 points 3 years ago Even more rage inducing these comments would be the same if she wasn't conventionally attractive. Fucking programmers need a solid clip around the ear. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 20 points 3 years ago Intersectionality permalink fedilink source parent [–] tquid@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (4 children) It's as if, like, if you are a woman, and also in a disfavoured racial category, like, where they, uh, have overlap? Where they meet? It's not the same as either one individually but its own, I guess nexus? I feel like there's a better word for this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mercival@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* There's a somewhat niche, but clever word for this particular combo - misogynoir Coined by Moya Bailey in 2010 permalink fedilink source parent [+] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 3 points 3 years ago* but being a woman isn’t really a minority tho It depends on the context. In a Victoria’s Secret fashion show? Yeah, probably not the minority. In a tech role, which women are systemically harassed and bullied out of pursuing? Yeah, women are probably a minority. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's not what minority means in the sociological context. Volume is mathematical. Poor people are a minority and there's more of them than the 1%. Being a minority is about lack of power, prestige and property. And intersectionality is the more formal term, but 'double minority' gets the point across. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrazyEddie041@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago The term is "intersectionality". Conservatives really hated the term before they went all popeyed over "woke". permalink fedilink source parent [–] marzipan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago but being a woman isn't really a minority tho They certainly are in computer science permalink fedilink source parent [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago idk the point of your snark... people are still figuring out intersectionality. just give some education or stfu, dont condescend to people who are making an effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago @ReiRose@lemmy.world has it right, the term and idea is intersectionality. apropos of nothing, intersectionality came out of critical race theory's analyses of black womens outcomes in the legal system. the particular combination of oppression is literally the textbook example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tquid@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (4 children) It's as if, like, if you are a woman, and also in a disfavoured racial category, like, where they, uh, have overlap? Where they meet? It's not the same as either one individually but its own, I guess nexus? I feel like there's a better word for this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mercival@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* There's a somewhat niche, but clever word for this particular combo - misogynoir Coined by Moya Bailey in 2010 permalink fedilink source parent [+] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 3 points 3 years ago* but being a woman isn’t really a minority tho It depends on the context. In a Victoria’s Secret fashion show? Yeah, probably not the minority. In a tech role, which women are systemically harassed and bullied out of pursuing? Yeah, women are probably a minority. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's not what minority means in the sociological context. Volume is mathematical. Poor people are a minority and there's more of them than the 1%. Being a minority is about lack of power, prestige and property. And intersectionality is the more formal term, but 'double minority' gets the point across. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrazyEddie041@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago The term is "intersectionality". Conservatives really hated the term before they went all popeyed over "woke". permalink fedilink source parent [–] marzipan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago but being a woman isn't really a minority tho They certainly are in computer science permalink fedilink source parent [–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago idk the point of your snark... people are still figuring out intersectionality. just give some education or stfu, dont condescend to people who are making an effort. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago @ReiRose@lemmy.world has it right, the term and idea is intersectionality. apropos of nothing, intersectionality came out of critical race theory's analyses of black womens outcomes in the legal system. the particular combination of oppression is literally the textbook example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mercival@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago* There's a somewhat niche, but clever word for this particular combo - misogynoir Coined by Moya Bailey in 2010 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 3 points 3 years ago* but being a woman isn’t really a minority tho It depends on the context. In a Victoria’s Secret fashion show? Yeah, probably not the minority. In a tech role, which women are systemically harassed and bullied out of pursuing? Yeah, women are probably a minority. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's not what minority means in the sociological context. Volume is mathematical. Poor people are a minority and there's more of them than the 1%. Being a minority is about lack of power, prestige and property. And intersectionality is the more formal term, but 'double minority' gets the point across. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CrazyEddie041@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago The term is "intersectionality". Conservatives really hated the term before they went all popeyed over "woke". permalink fedilink source parent [–] marzipan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago but being a woman isn't really a minority tho They certainly are in computer science permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com 3 points 3 years ago* but being a woman isn’t really a minority tho It depends on the context. In a Victoria’s Secret fashion show? Yeah, probably not the minority. In a tech role, which women are systemically harassed and bullied out of pursuing? Yeah, women are probably a minority. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's not what minority means in the sociological context. Volume is mathematical. Poor people are a minority and there's more of them than the 1%. Being a minority is about lack of power, prestige and property. And intersectionality is the more formal term, but 'double minority' gets the point across. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CrazyEddie041@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago The term is "intersectionality". Conservatives really hated the term before they went all popeyed over "woke". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marzipan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 years ago but being a woman isn't really a minority tho They certainly are in computer science permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago idk the point of your snark... people are still figuring out intersectionality. just give some education or stfu, dont condescend to people who are making an effort. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago @ReiRose@lemmy.world has it right, the term and idea is intersectionality. apropos of nothing, intersectionality came out of critical race theory's analyses of black womens outcomes in the legal system. the particular combination of oppression is literally the textbook example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) The funny thing is that in my experience female programmers usually have above average skills. I suspect it’s exactly because of this bias against women in tech. Where an average or below average dude can easily get by, this is much harder for women. As a result this bias acts as a kind of filter which results in female programmers being on average a little better than male programmers because all the average or below average ones get filtered out early. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jonna@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Here's hard data to match your experience: "This paper presents the largest study to date on gender bias, where we compare acceptance rates of contributions from men versus women in an open source software community. Surprisingly, our results show that women's contributions tend to be accepted more often than men's. However, women's acceptance rates are higher only when they are not identifiable as women. Our results suggest that although women on GitHub may be more competent overall, bias against them exists nonetheless." https://peerj.com/preprints/1733/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That's probably just because women are smarter than men. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago I might add, in the hostile environment women may feel compelled to try harder at least to make a point. As in, "I'll show you what I can do". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jonna@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Here's hard data to match your experience: "This paper presents the largest study to date on gender bias, where we compare acceptance rates of contributions from men versus women in an open source software community. Surprisingly, our results show that women's contributions tend to be accepted more often than men's. However, women's acceptance rates are higher only when they are not identifiable as women. Our results suggest that although women on GitHub may be more competent overall, bias against them exists nonetheless." https://peerj.com/preprints/1733/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That's probably just because women are smarter than men. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago That's probably just because women are smarter than men. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 6mementomori@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago I might add, in the hostile environment women may feel compelled to try harder at least to make a point. As in, "I'll show you what I can do". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 years ago (3 children) This is also common in the guitar community. Some women can shred like mofos, and here comes Jim-Bob McGraw saying their playing is tracked etc., ad nauseum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Klear@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Girls can't play guitar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net -5 points 3 years ago Can... Can I be the one sitting in that chair? (。♡‿♡。) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does it mean if their playing is "tracked"? Genuinely have no clue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago Like they use a pre recorded track and then make a video Lip syncing for guitarists permalink fedilink source parent [–] drathvedro@lemm.ee -3 points 3 years ago Sure there are. But then there are girls like Melle Baby who overshadow them not by only wearing underwear. Seriously, how do I get her out of my recommendations? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Klear@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Girls can't play guitar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net -5 points 3 years ago Can... Can I be the one sitting in that chair? (。♡‿♡。) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net -5 points 3 years ago Can... Can I be the one sitting in that chair? (。♡‿♡。) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) What does it mean if their playing is "tracked"? Genuinely have no clue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago Like they use a pre recorded track and then make a video Lip syncing for guitarists permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago Like they use a pre recorded track and then make a video Lip syncing for guitarists permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee -3 points 3 years ago Sure there are. But then there are girls like Melle Baby who overshadow them not by only wearing underwear. Seriously, how do I get her out of my recommendations? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, online gaming has all but confirmed to me that sexism is very alive and well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Igotz80HDnImWinning@kbin.social -1 points 3 years ago If she were a man, she’d be calling herself a polymath and everybody would be agreeing with her. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone -1 points 3 years ago Even more rage inducing these comments would be the same if she wasn't conventionally attractive. Fucking programmers need a solid clip around the ear. permalink fedilink source parent