Hide behind "dismissing GrapheneOS fanboys" all you want, but the points raised about SailfishOS being proprietary are valid. It is the same as running Samsung's OneUI, or Google's Android - the underlying core is FOSS but the layer with access to all your data is proprietary.

For the record I don't use GrapheneOS.

is it intriguing? sure, why not.

does that make it infallible to criticism? certainly not.

can certain people critique in a not so productive way? ofc.

does that make their criticism lose merit? partly.

the criticism put forth by the initial commentor is quite justified. but how abt their delivery? you seem to have made up your mind on that one.

this partnership is not a silver bullet that'll end the OPSEC cold war. and treating it and GOS as such is utterly stupid. yes, GOS' the best in this sector and quite bulletproof. but it does not make it invincible. if it had reached perfection then this partnership would be useless and GOS' wouldn't need to iterate. Jolla+Sailfish's the rookie that needs to prove themselves in the same proving grounds that's battlehardened GOS.

I've noticed that GrapheneOS users are particularly aggressive.

astute observation. the Linux community has plenty of them too. but w both groups people go poking the angry black bear and then cry out aggravation. kinda the same thing w researchers now that I think abt it.

Always nice to find someone interested in the discourse over the details. So rare these days. /s Have you any criticisms of GrapheneOS which are not based on hearsay that the devs and users are prone to being outspoken on security issues with other projects?

...because I do, and people like you are muddling the water!