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[–] 14 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 child)

As somebody already mentioned, Tibet.

They've also destroyed multiple vessels including civilian ships near the Philippines.

The provided armaments to Iran which ended up in the hands of Hamas leading up to the October 7th music festival attack, which sparked the flames for the ongoing genocide. Iran also used those weapons on their own civillians earlier this year resulting in between 6k and 40k civillian casualties depending on your source which is actually higher than the casualties for the ongoing war with the USA (which can also somewhat be attributed to China due to the afforementioned hostilities with Israel (and China literally aided in Trump's reelection)). They're also the source of weapons for the Houthis and Lebanon.

In Asia they are the military backers of North Korea, who actively threatens to destroy Japan. In the past they've armed factions who committed coups in Vietnam, Myanmar, and Myanmar AGAIN. They also supplied weapons to Indonesia which likely ended up getting used somewhere in Papau, but that one isn't as fair because at this point who hasn't sold to Indonesia.

In Central and South America they are the military backers for Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua, all militant dictatorships.

In Africa, they rebuilt the Mwalimu Julius Nyerere Leadership School which is established as a collaboration between the CCP and the Former Liberation Movements of Southern Africa. This is the most benign entry on this list so far, but looking at China's track record you can probably see where it's going to end up.

The also did all of this to Hong Kong:

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And if they weren't too busy executing their own military leaders, chances are they'd be invading Taiwan already. Chinese Military spending is growing massively, growing about 5x in 20 years. Currently, China contests lands in Taiwan, Vietnam, North Korea, South Korea, and India (which China claims is actually Western Tibet) and they're getting less "diplomatic" about it every day.

Also, China has promoted conservative leaders including the GOP and even Donald Trump by name as well as the AfD.

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  • [+] -7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 child)

    China didn't "invade" Hong Kong. Hong Kong was handed over by the UK.

    Backing dictators isn't really a valid argument when comparing with the US considering that the U.S. has engaged and still engages in the same activities. The difference is that the U.S. gets directly involved with boots on the ground in toppling governments against their interests whereas China does not. Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, the Banana Wars, list goes on.

    You can hate China for how they treat Hong Kong and Tibet, you can hate them for backing dictatorships, and you can hate them for a litany of other things.

    End of the day, China isn't bombing and killing civilians of sovereign countries that didn't attack them. How many times has China gone out and deposed the leaders of sovereign countries? If you count Tibet, once, and congrats, you have one example from the last hundred years. Even if you have more examples, it's not hard to see how the optics looks between the two. People get pissed when you bomb countries that didn't attack you and weren't planning to attack you. They get pissed when you assassinate and kidnap their leaders. I don't care if those places are dictatorships, that's for those countries to sort out, the U.S. isn't the world's police.

    Edit: Congrats, you also named minor border skirmishes with India and the South China Sea. If you're downvoting me you're missing the point that China does this far less than the U.S. does, and therefore has better optics. This isn't defending China or saying it can't do any wrong, but three conflicts that are overall pretty small on the world stage is nothing compared to having military interventions in dozens of countries that don't even border you that murder countless more civilians for literally no reason other than economic gain. It's not hard to see how people view one option as better than the other, and saying that doesn't equate to me saying "China good".

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child)

    My apologies, Typo, one of the mentions of Hong Kong was supposed to say Taiwan.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Your modlog's really fun looking at, and doesn't do you any favours showing how rational and nuanced you are.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago* (1 child)

    Cool Beans dawg, ad hominem btw

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  • [–] -2 points 4 hours ago* (1 child)

    Right, "ad hominem" is me pointing out that you think China and the CCP want to "kill us all and take over the Earth" and that they'd "take joy in everyone's homes in NATO burning down".

    It's not ad hominem to showcase that you don't have a history of making rational and nuanced comments pertaining to China in a discussion about China.

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