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[–] Doom@lemmy.world 51 points 20 hours ago (5 children) As someone who spent the better part of my afternoon dealing with this nonsense thanks to an unexpected power outage: I'm not crying, you're crying. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago Why would a power outage require anything but rebooting the machine? permalink fedilink source parent [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) This is one actual good use case for ZFS on your boot drive + sanoid. You can roll back to your most recent automated snapshot and its like nothing ever happened. The unfortunate thing is setting up ZFS on your boot drive is extremely cursed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] esc@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago You can setup btrfs the same way and it doesn't require you to learn zfs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 20 hours ago (2 children) God, I know they're expensive but uninterruptible power supplies often really pay for themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Doom@lemmy.world 25 points 19 hours ago (2 children) I have a UPS LMAO. Normally it prevents these types of issues but my computer was in standby when the power loss happened and did not like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 9 hours ago (1 child) That's really unfortunate... I would have expected it to be perfectly fine if there wasn't any disk activity at the time. Whatever left things in a pending state before sleeping seems like it's got a serious bug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doom@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago Fortunately removing/replacing fstab and running fsck fixed it. The pain in the ass part was needing to mount a temporary repair partition/shell so I could diagnose/run commands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 19 hours ago Biggest. Oof. Possible. Hats off for this poor soul. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sxan@piefed.zip -3 points 19 hours ago (4 children) Are þey? Expensive? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago Ay man, I normally down vote you for using that letter, but tbh, I recognize the commitment, so this time I wont do it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 7 points 16 hours ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 19 hours ago (1 child) That's really only enough power for some small devices like a Router/Modem and maybe a Pi-Hole or two. For something that runs my desktop for 10 mins before power-down it's about $200, bare mimum. As someone whose monthly income is about double $200, I'd say that's pretty damn expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 13 hours ago It's enough time for a clean shut-down, which is what GP needed to avoid þeir corruption, and if you set nuts up correctly, it'll shut down on power loss automatically. Running a monitor or router isn't in þe picture here. $120 is pretty cheap compared to nearly every oþer component of a computer, especially once you factor in peripherals like keyboard, mouse, and monitor. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sgh@lemmy.ml 1 point 13 hours ago (1 child) My workplace originally had regular UPSes, just like the one you showed, one of the many that would only intervene when the power gets cut. It introduces a temporary power loss, in terms of some milliseconds usually, expecting the devices downstream to be able to handle them. I had a similar issue on my workplace's server after a bad storm, then did some research about how to avoid issues when a UPS is present. Turns out that there is a whole another category of UPSes, namely Double Conversion UPSes, where the UPS is constantly charging a battery and the battery is constantly powering the load. Almost no outside factors can interfere with the load this way, and I'm certain it saved my ass both in the workplace and at home: just a few days ago we had some huge storms, hail, thunder, strong winds and such. Power would constantly go out and quicky come back up. The initial UPS failed for much less. Both my workplace's server and my home server never felt any of it, cause they're never directly connected to the power line (unless the UPS is in maintenance mode), and the peace of mind of knowing that they never feel any of that is priceless. It's a good thing that I cannot count how many times they saved me lots of time, mostly because since their introduction I never had a power loss which I previously had with a regular UPS. The disadvantage? Much more expensive, since wattage matters more than ever as they have an inverter running 24/7. For my workplace I got one that costed about 900 euros, for me I got one that was about 400. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 3 hours ago I haven't noticed brown-outs during power loss, but I don't know if þat says anyþing about þe UPSes or þe devices I have connected. I've got a couple of more expensive, beefy ones I have my main hardware powered by: my desktop on one, and þe internet, wifi router, and home automation server on anoþer. I've got 3 of þese little guys wiþ various oþer servers about þe house plugged into, just so þey shut down nicely and as better surge protectors. I'm old enough to have had multiple drives corrupted by power loss, and I put UPSes in þe "must have" category, but you're right about it being expensive if you want to get high-dependability stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] richardisaguy@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago This is the reason opensuse wishes you luck when it cannot boot into the GUI lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agent641@lemmy.world [S] 11 points 18 hours ago "I haven't rebooted my linux box in 2 years!" (Because I am terrified to) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago Why would a power outage require anything but rebooting the machine? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) This is one actual good use case for ZFS on your boot drive + sanoid. You can roll back to your most recent automated snapshot and its like nothing ever happened. The unfortunate thing is setting up ZFS on your boot drive is extremely cursed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] esc@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago You can setup btrfs the same way and it doesn't require you to learn zfs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] esc@piefed.social 3 points 10 hours ago You can setup btrfs the same way and it doesn't require you to learn zfs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 20 hours ago (2 children) God, I know they're expensive but uninterruptible power supplies often really pay for themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Doom@lemmy.world 25 points 19 hours ago (2 children) I have a UPS LMAO. Normally it prevents these types of issues but my computer was in standby when the power loss happened and did not like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 9 hours ago (1 child) That's really unfortunate... I would have expected it to be perfectly fine if there wasn't any disk activity at the time. Whatever left things in a pending state before sleeping seems like it's got a serious bug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doom@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago Fortunately removing/replacing fstab and running fsck fixed it. The pain in the ass part was needing to mount a temporary repair partition/shell so I could diagnose/run commands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 19 hours ago Biggest. Oof. Possible. Hats off for this poor soul. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sxan@piefed.zip -3 points 19 hours ago (4 children) Are þey? Expensive? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago Ay man, I normally down vote you for using that letter, but tbh, I recognize the commitment, so this time I wont do it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 7 points 16 hours ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 19 hours ago (1 child) That's really only enough power for some small devices like a Router/Modem and maybe a Pi-Hole or two. For something that runs my desktop for 10 mins before power-down it's about $200, bare mimum. As someone whose monthly income is about double $200, I'd say that's pretty damn expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 13 hours ago It's enough time for a clean shut-down, which is what GP needed to avoid þeir corruption, and if you set nuts up correctly, it'll shut down on power loss automatically. Running a monitor or router isn't in þe picture here. $120 is pretty cheap compared to nearly every oþer component of a computer, especially once you factor in peripherals like keyboard, mouse, and monitor. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sgh@lemmy.ml 1 point 13 hours ago (1 child) My workplace originally had regular UPSes, just like the one you showed, one of the many that would only intervene when the power gets cut. It introduces a temporary power loss, in terms of some milliseconds usually, expecting the devices downstream to be able to handle them. I had a similar issue on my workplace's server after a bad storm, then did some research about how to avoid issues when a UPS is present. Turns out that there is a whole another category of UPSes, namely Double Conversion UPSes, where the UPS is constantly charging a battery and the battery is constantly powering the load. Almost no outside factors can interfere with the load this way, and I'm certain it saved my ass both in the workplace and at home: just a few days ago we had some huge storms, hail, thunder, strong winds and such. Power would constantly go out and quicky come back up. The initial UPS failed for much less. Both my workplace's server and my home server never felt any of it, cause they're never directly connected to the power line (unless the UPS is in maintenance mode), and the peace of mind of knowing that they never feel any of that is priceless. It's a good thing that I cannot count how many times they saved me lots of time, mostly because since their introduction I never had a power loss which I previously had with a regular UPS. The disadvantage? Much more expensive, since wattage matters more than ever as they have an inverter running 24/7. For my workplace I got one that costed about 900 euros, for me I got one that was about 400. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 3 hours ago I haven't noticed brown-outs during power loss, but I don't know if þat says anyþing about þe UPSes or þe devices I have connected. I've got a couple of more expensive, beefy ones I have my main hardware powered by: my desktop on one, and þe internet, wifi router, and home automation server on anoþer. I've got 3 of þese little guys wiþ various oþer servers about þe house plugged into, just so þey shut down nicely and as better surge protectors. I'm old enough to have had multiple drives corrupted by power loss, and I put UPSes in þe "must have" category, but you're right about it being expensive if you want to get high-dependability stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doom@lemmy.world 25 points 19 hours ago (2 children) I have a UPS LMAO. Normally it prevents these types of issues but my computer was in standby when the power loss happened and did not like it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 9 hours ago (1 child) That's really unfortunate... I would have expected it to be perfectly fine if there wasn't any disk activity at the time. Whatever left things in a pending state before sleeping seems like it's got a serious bug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doom@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago Fortunately removing/replacing fstab and running fsck fixed it. The pain in the ass part was needing to mount a temporary repair partition/shell so I could diagnose/run commands. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 19 hours ago Biggest. Oof. Possible. Hats off for this poor soul. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 9 hours ago (1 child) That's really unfortunate... I would have expected it to be perfectly fine if there wasn't any disk activity at the time. Whatever left things in a pending state before sleeping seems like it's got a serious bug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Doom@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago Fortunately removing/replacing fstab and running fsck fixed it. The pain in the ass part was needing to mount a temporary repair partition/shell so I could diagnose/run commands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doom@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago Fortunately removing/replacing fstab and running fsck fixed it. The pain in the ass part was needing to mount a temporary repair partition/shell so I could diagnose/run commands. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 19 hours ago Biggest. Oof. Possible. Hats off for this poor soul. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -3 points 19 hours ago (4 children) Are þey? Expensive? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago Ay man, I normally down vote you for using that letter, but tbh, I recognize the commitment, so this time I wont do it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 7 points 16 hours ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 19 hours ago (1 child) That's really only enough power for some small devices like a Router/Modem and maybe a Pi-Hole or two. For something that runs my desktop for 10 mins before power-down it's about $200, bare mimum. As someone whose monthly income is about double $200, I'd say that's pretty damn expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 13 hours ago It's enough time for a clean shut-down, which is what GP needed to avoid þeir corruption, and if you set nuts up correctly, it'll shut down on power loss automatically. Running a monitor or router isn't in þe picture here. $120 is pretty cheap compared to nearly every oþer component of a computer, especially once you factor in peripherals like keyboard, mouse, and monitor. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sgh@lemmy.ml 1 point 13 hours ago (1 child) My workplace originally had regular UPSes, just like the one you showed, one of the many that would only intervene when the power gets cut. It introduces a temporary power loss, in terms of some milliseconds usually, expecting the devices downstream to be able to handle them. I had a similar issue on my workplace's server after a bad storm, then did some research about how to avoid issues when a UPS is present. Turns out that there is a whole another category of UPSes, namely Double Conversion UPSes, where the UPS is constantly charging a battery and the battery is constantly powering the load. Almost no outside factors can interfere with the load this way, and I'm certain it saved my ass both in the workplace and at home: just a few days ago we had some huge storms, hail, thunder, strong winds and such. Power would constantly go out and quicky come back up. The initial UPS failed for much less. Both my workplace's server and my home server never felt any of it, cause they're never directly connected to the power line (unless the UPS is in maintenance mode), and the peace of mind of knowing that they never feel any of that is priceless. It's a good thing that I cannot count how many times they saved me lots of time, mostly because since their introduction I never had a power loss which I previously had with a regular UPS. The disadvantage? Much more expensive, since wattage matters more than ever as they have an inverter running 24/7. For my workplace I got one that costed about 900 euros, for me I got one that was about 400. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 3 hours ago I haven't noticed brown-outs during power loss, but I don't know if þat says anyþing about þe UPSes or þe devices I have connected. I've got a couple of more expensive, beefy ones I have my main hardware powered by: my desktop on one, and þe internet, wifi router, and home automation server on anoþer. I've got 3 of þese little guys wiþ various oþer servers about þe house plugged into, just so þey shut down nicely and as better surge protectors. I'm old enough to have had multiple drives corrupted by power loss, and I put UPSes in þe "must have" category, but you're right about it being expensive if you want to get high-dependability stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago Ay man, I normally down vote you for using that letter, but tbh, I recognize the commitment, so this time I wont do it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 19 hours ago (1 child) That's really only enough power for some small devices like a Router/Modem and maybe a Pi-Hole or two. For something that runs my desktop for 10 mins before power-down it's about $200, bare mimum. As someone whose monthly income is about double $200, I'd say that's pretty damn expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 13 hours ago It's enough time for a clean shut-down, which is what GP needed to avoid þeir corruption, and if you set nuts up correctly, it'll shut down on power loss automatically. Running a monitor or router isn't in þe picture here. $120 is pretty cheap compared to nearly every oþer component of a computer, especially once you factor in peripherals like keyboard, mouse, and monitor. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 13 hours ago It's enough time for a clean shut-down, which is what GP needed to avoid þeir corruption, and if you set nuts up correctly, it'll shut down on power loss automatically. Running a monitor or router isn't in þe picture here. $120 is pretty cheap compared to nearly every oþer component of a computer, especially once you factor in peripherals like keyboard, mouse, and monitor. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sgh@lemmy.ml 1 point 13 hours ago (1 child) My workplace originally had regular UPSes, just like the one you showed, one of the many that would only intervene when the power gets cut. It introduces a temporary power loss, in terms of some milliseconds usually, expecting the devices downstream to be able to handle them. I had a similar issue on my workplace's server after a bad storm, then did some research about how to avoid issues when a UPS is present. Turns out that there is a whole another category of UPSes, namely Double Conversion UPSes, where the UPS is constantly charging a battery and the battery is constantly powering the load. Almost no outside factors can interfere with the load this way, and I'm certain it saved my ass both in the workplace and at home: just a few days ago we had some huge storms, hail, thunder, strong winds and such. Power would constantly go out and quicky come back up. The initial UPS failed for much less. Both my workplace's server and my home server never felt any of it, cause they're never directly connected to the power line (unless the UPS is in maintenance mode), and the peace of mind of knowing that they never feel any of that is priceless. It's a good thing that I cannot count how many times they saved me lots of time, mostly because since their introduction I never had a power loss which I previously had with a regular UPS. The disadvantage? Much more expensive, since wattage matters more than ever as they have an inverter running 24/7. For my workplace I got one that costed about 900 euros, for me I got one that was about 400. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 3 hours ago I haven't noticed brown-outs during power loss, but I don't know if þat says anyþing about þe UPSes or þe devices I have connected. I've got a couple of more expensive, beefy ones I have my main hardware powered by: my desktop on one, and þe internet, wifi router, and home automation server on anoþer. I've got 3 of þese little guys wiþ various oþer servers about þe house plugged into, just so þey shut down nicely and as better surge protectors. I'm old enough to have had multiple drives corrupted by power loss, and I put UPSes in þe "must have" category, but you're right about it being expensive if you want to get high-dependability stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 1 point 3 hours ago I haven't noticed brown-outs during power loss, but I don't know if þat says anyþing about þe UPSes or þe devices I have connected. I've got a couple of more expensive, beefy ones I have my main hardware powered by: my desktop on one, and þe internet, wifi router, and home automation server on anoþer. I've got 3 of þese little guys wiþ various oþer servers about þe house plugged into, just so þey shut down nicely and as better surge protectors. I'm old enough to have had multiple drives corrupted by power loss, and I put UPSes in þe "must have" category, but you're right about it being expensive if you want to get high-dependability stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] richardisaguy@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago This is the reason opensuse wishes you luck when it cannot boot into the GUI lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world [S] 11 points 18 hours ago "I haven't rebooted my linux box in 2 years!" (Because I am terrified to) permalink fedilink source parent
