▲ 148 ▼ Mullvad on the Donation Controversy (www.mullvad.net) submitted 3 weeks ago by Sunny@slrpnk.net to c/privacy@lemmy.ml 142 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] chris@links.openriver.net 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) He is providing that political party with over half of its income if I recall correctly. If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] grey_maniac@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children) Just to make sure I understand, you do support employer discrimination against employees, just only for the political beliefs you find offensive. Do I understand that correctly? While I believe the only good nazi is a dead one, I alao believe the systems we set up generate the crap we have to deal with later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) It’s Karl Popper’s tolerance paradox. To answer your question, yes I am in support of discrimination against anyone using their salary to fund over half the annual budget of a white nationalist political party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) I, for one, am in support of your ability to stop giving mullvad money as a consequence, but not in support of anyone being fired over a political donation regardless. I don't want to be fired over donating to causes I support, and there is no universal moral judge to say what is fine to donate to, even if I have pretty strong opinions on the matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 2 points 2 weeks ago I think we can find some lines though. We aren’t talking about political disagreements on the marginal tax rates or how to fund schools. We are talking about donations to a political party calling for ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 weeks ago In any sane country a "national socialist" aka nazi party is illegal, an employee funding a party like that are committing a crime so any morality bullshit about freeze peach is beyond that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) The person you're responding to is either speaking hyperbolically for Internet points or is actually too dumb to realize how stupid of a precedent that sets. Either way they aren't worth engaging with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago I know… let’s have a spelling contest. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad. It's Swedish company, there(and probably in most of the world) it's illegal to fire someone for such reason, worker’s rights and all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Then I’d quit them…. Don’t fund the guy funding the white nationalist party. That’s rule 1 and we can sort the rest out later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) How would you do it? There's no way to "quit them" unless they want to quit themselves, it's not the US. If you think you can fire them and pay some fines, that's not the case, you'll pay them fines AND will be required to rehire them. Like the only way is to shut down the whole company or make them a super sweet offer, both require giving them a lot of money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Miscommunication… I’d quit Mullvad as a customer. I have done that and received my refund. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Ah, sorry. Which service did you move to? Because given the statistics of far right support there's a very good chance there's at least some employee in that company with those views as well. Still better than their CEO or founder though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grey_maniac@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children) Just to make sure I understand, you do support employer discrimination against employees, just only for the political beliefs you find offensive. Do I understand that correctly? While I believe the only good nazi is a dead one, I alao believe the systems we set up generate the crap we have to deal with later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) It’s Karl Popper’s tolerance paradox. To answer your question, yes I am in support of discrimination against anyone using their salary to fund over half the annual budget of a white nationalist political party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) I, for one, am in support of your ability to stop giving mullvad money as a consequence, but not in support of anyone being fired over a political donation regardless. I don't want to be fired over donating to causes I support, and there is no universal moral judge to say what is fine to donate to, even if I have pretty strong opinions on the matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 2 points 2 weeks ago I think we can find some lines though. We aren’t talking about political disagreements on the marginal tax rates or how to fund schools. We are talking about donations to a political party calling for ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 weeks ago In any sane country a "national socialist" aka nazi party is illegal, an employee funding a party like that are committing a crime so any morality bullshit about freeze peach is beyond that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) The person you're responding to is either speaking hyperbolically for Internet points or is actually too dumb to realize how stupid of a precedent that sets. Either way they aren't worth engaging with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago I know… let’s have a spelling contest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@links.openriver.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) It’s Karl Popper’s tolerance paradox. To answer your question, yes I am in support of discrimination against anyone using their salary to fund over half the annual budget of a white nationalist political party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) I, for one, am in support of your ability to stop giving mullvad money as a consequence, but not in support of anyone being fired over a political donation regardless. I don't want to be fired over donating to causes I support, and there is no universal moral judge to say what is fine to donate to, even if I have pretty strong opinions on the matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 2 points 2 weeks ago I think we can find some lines though. We aren’t talking about political disagreements on the marginal tax rates or how to fund schools. We are talking about donations to a political party calling for ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) I, for one, am in support of your ability to stop giving mullvad money as a consequence, but not in support of anyone being fired over a political donation regardless. I don't want to be fired over donating to causes I support, and there is no universal moral judge to say what is fine to donate to, even if I have pretty strong opinions on the matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 2 points 2 weeks ago I think we can find some lines though. We aren’t talking about political disagreements on the marginal tax rates or how to fund schools. We are talking about donations to a political party calling for ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@links.openriver.net 2 points 2 weeks ago I think we can find some lines though. We aren’t talking about political disagreements on the marginal tax rates or how to fund schools. We are talking about donations to a political party calling for ethnic cleansing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 weeks ago In any sane country a "national socialist" aka nazi party is illegal, an employee funding a party like that are committing a crime so any morality bullshit about freeze peach is beyond that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) The person you're responding to is either speaking hyperbolically for Internet points or is actually too dumb to realize how stupid of a precedent that sets. Either way they aren't worth engaging with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago I know… let’s have a spelling contest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago I know… let’s have a spelling contest. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) If Mullvad’s janitor were someone doing that and Mullvad refused to terminate them, I’d quit Mullvad. It's Swedish company, there(and probably in most of the world) it's illegal to fire someone for such reason, worker’s rights and all that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Then I’d quit them…. Don’t fund the guy funding the white nationalist party. That’s rule 1 and we can sort the rest out later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) How would you do it? There's no way to "quit them" unless they want to quit themselves, it's not the US. If you think you can fire them and pay some fines, that's not the case, you'll pay them fines AND will be required to rehire them. Like the only way is to shut down the whole company or make them a super sweet offer, both require giving them a lot of money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Miscommunication… I’d quit Mullvad as a customer. I have done that and received my refund. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Ah, sorry. Which service did you move to? Because given the statistics of far right support there's a very good chance there's at least some employee in that company with those views as well. Still better than their CEO or founder though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Then I’d quit them…. Don’t fund the guy funding the white nationalist party. That’s rule 1 and we can sort the rest out later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) How would you do it? There's no way to "quit them" unless they want to quit themselves, it's not the US. If you think you can fire them and pay some fines, that's not the case, you'll pay them fines AND will be required to rehire them. Like the only way is to shut down the whole company or make them a super sweet offer, both require giving them a lot of money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Miscommunication… I’d quit Mullvad as a customer. I have done that and received my refund. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Ah, sorry. Which service did you move to? Because given the statistics of far right support there's a very good chance there's at least some employee in that company with those views as well. Still better than their CEO or founder though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) How would you do it? There's no way to "quit them" unless they want to quit themselves, it's not the US. If you think you can fire them and pay some fines, that's not the case, you'll pay them fines AND will be required to rehire them. Like the only way is to shut down the whole company or make them a super sweet offer, both require giving them a lot of money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Miscommunication… I’d quit Mullvad as a customer. I have done that and received my refund. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Ah, sorry. Which service did you move to? Because given the statistics of far right support there's a very good chance there's at least some employee in that company with those views as well. Still better than their CEO or founder though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@links.openriver.net 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Miscommunication… I’d quit Mullvad as a customer. I have done that and received my refund. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Ah, sorry. Which service did you move to? Because given the statistics of far right support there's a very good chance there's at least some employee in that company with those views as well. Still better than their CEO or founder though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Ah, sorry. Which service did you move to? Because given the statistics of far right support there's a very good chance there's at least some employee in that company with those views as well. Still better than their CEO or founder though. permalink fedilink source parent