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[–] 67 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Does anyone know the reason behind hating on the French being a thing? Is this some US import?

I'm Polish writing this from a French instance but I'm asking without duress /s

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    Edit: I know there is a lot of typos/mistakes... too lazy to correct them

    French person talking, i think the hate for french people is very occidental. Japanese for example loves the french culture and they have a lot of restaurants/stores trying to serve french food or clothes with french words on them adapted to japanese standards.

    For the hate i think it has multiple factors:

    For america it is the Marechal Petain surrendering to the nazis during ww2, and our refusal to invade irak. Making us "surrender monkeys", which is very funny when you look at france war history.

    For england: it is the victory of the hundred years war and the countless other wars we had with them.

    Germany has always been our ennemy since the fall of the roman empire.

    For Africa and particularly algeria and congo: it is the severe repression against insurgencies in our colonies, government manipulation, our implication in salvery, robbery of natural ressources and cultural assets, and forced conversion to christianity/"good maners" of indigenous populations, all leading to the rise of multiple ultra radicalized groups and terrorism.

    So for every country we are either the bastards who sold themselves to the nazis or the bloodthirsty war criminals who are here only to kill, rape, and steal.

    Added the fact that Paris is one of the most visited cities in the world making it also one of france's rudest and unwelcoming cities for tourists, And the cultural differences we have with english speaking countries in terms of politeness/expected behaviour, and in the way we are choosing friends/partners. Makes us the perfect hate target.

    But i think if you visit France and go to more remote places and genuinely try to interract with people/try to speak french (altough we will immediatly switch to english, we like when you try and it is seen as a sign of respect) you can find very warm welcoming people. Just dont expect to become BFF immediatly or feeling as part of the family, it does not work like that, and it will be very akward for everyone.

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  • [–] 94 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Anti-French sentiment is new to USA from the 20th century, portraying the French as weak and needing rescue was a popular approach for those against war in Europe.

    Historically France has been one of the best of friends to the USA.

    Hating the French has typically been a European thing (and very English) because of the whole France dominating Europe time and again over the millennia.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Also this review was probably not posted by an american due to the spelling of "favourite".

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  • [–] 36 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    British also hate the French because of hundreds of years of war. Canadians also hate the French because we're basically Temu-British, and also because we hate Quebec.

    Only slightly tongue in cheek.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    checks out.

    • A québécois who has been told "ooh, you're one of those people" in Alberta on my way to the NWT.
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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    In all seriousness, obviously I can't speak for all, but I love you guys. My own french language skills may suck, but I'm glad you're part of our country and I appreciate your distinctiveness and all the other things you bring to the table for us. I think Quebec in particular deserves a lot of credit for preventing the rest of us from becoming so easily Americanized that we would've actually ended up the 51st state eventually. Culture's a hell of a weapon, and you guys defend yours fiercely, and that's both understandable and awesome in my books. Any teasing is directed mainly at my fellow anglos, and I know from personal experience that some Albertans can be real bigots, so that fits what I saw in my few decades living there too. I hope it's sufficiently clear that my comment is a joke and that it's coming from a place of love.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Worry not! It was my single bad experience in two and a half year in the NWT / Northern AB area.

    And we also got our fair share of bigots. They seem to be everywhere these days, and borders don't seem to matter in how they proliferate.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    There are historical anti-French sentiments, but I honestly don't think this is related to them much. I think it's just a meme gen Z decided to run with because they thought it was funny. Like the birds aren't real thing.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    Dates from when France refused to be complicit in invading Iraq in 2003. A big anti-french movement was pushed by American conservatives then, and it just became an internet thing afterwards.

    However the French are not really liked outside due to French tourists being arrogant and always saying things (usually food) are better in France.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Making fun of the french is older than 2003

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    But it got a political and web powered revival due to the 2023 2003 Irak war refusal which likely has a stronger impact on internet culture today than the WW2 has.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    This is the real answer. I have a chud 3%er man-child for a father-in-law, and he legitimately hates the French, can't abide hearing the language, calls French fries "freedom fries", the whole thing. He doesn't even even know why though, it's 100% virtue-signaling conformity with US American chud culture. The same man won't buy meat labeled as "Halal". (Though he will buy/eat it if he doesn't notice the label.) Like I said, utter child.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Freedom fries? Wouldn't touch any of that muck. Good old Empire chips for me!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Dumps pallet of Empire chips into Boston harbour

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    France refused to be complicit in invading Iraq in 2003

    France... Based?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Paris is basically an overpriced amusement park staffed by surly employees.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago*

    amusement park staffed by surly employees.

    This is a common remark by tourists, and funny enough, people who've looked into it have concluded that Parisians act that way towards tourists precisely because they don't define themselves as employees who are only here to serve tourists. They'll get to you when they get to you, they'll speak to you like normal people and not servants, they don't actually care about the quality of whatever product you're getting because they didn't make it and they're not involved in the resolution of your problem, and they'll send you off if you get pissy about it. They are not the staff of your amusement park.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    This is a Canadian thing, Quebequois are stereotyped as being incredibly rude and entitled as a general rule, and are constantly trying to force the rest of Canada to adopt their heritage/culture. The dislike of quebequois outside of Quebec kind of merged with Quebec's hatred of French (for not being French enough) and now all of Canada enjoys a good "French are terrible people" meme.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    I've only visited Montreal twice, but both times everyone was super nice. (My baseline is NYC)

    I think some people band wagon jumped onto the Simpsons bit about cheese eating surrender monkeys, and some Republicans followed their crowd during the bush era.

    For most people I just read it as a "look at me I'm part of the in-group" sad pandering, like when people would repeat "EPIC BACON" or other low grade memes. They just want to feel like part of the group.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Canadians think it’s funny because of that; Americans because of W-era anti-French sentiment combined with antielitism and a historical association of French products with luxury; Germans and English people (at least, very possibly more of Europe) think it’s funny because of their countries’ constant historical antagonism; and people in former colonies think it’s funny because fuck the fr*nch.

    Obviously not all of them, but I think it just hits for a lot of people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Do Canadians think Letterkenny is funny? I checked out from them at some point but I liked it for a long time. Never watched any spinoffs

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Oh, I’m not Canadian, I was just going off of the parent comment.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Even worse, do Canadians think trailer park boys is funny

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  • As a filthy American, it's just because of propaganda on this side of the pond. Union busters successfully portrayed the French as lazy and entitled because of all the strikes/protests over workers' rights. Gasp! Oh the horror!

    That's genuinely it. And the fact that Americans are fucking stupid and eat that shit up, because our dumbass society romanticizes "working hard" and "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps." My father-in-law just the other day made a joke about the French being lazy after I said something along the lines of "we could learn a thing or two from the French on how to protest."

    Idiots.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I have never really seen much of hate. The only things I have seen my entire life is the stereotype that french people are rude and bitter. I have no clue how true it is since ive never traveled or seen a ton of french people. The closest would be people from Canada and they are all very nice. I think the biggest example I have seen is they hate US tourists and treat them with a cold shoulder. Considering how rude and entitled a lot of US tourists can be I probably don't blame them if it is true.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    From what I've heard, it's a combination of valuing directness and authenticity, and ironically politeness. Which means one, being very straightforward doesn't feel rude to them like it may in other cultures; two, inauthentic behavior (e.g. excessive smiling or a "fake" personality) is off-putting to them; and three, if you make a faux pas like not beginning an interaction with a greeting, you're perceived as the rude one and they're just reacting in kind. Again, from what I've heard, this is the worst in touristy places where French natives are surrounded by people who don't observe French customs.

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  • Americans do it because "cheese eating surrender monkey" is funny, and acknowledging the sacrifice and fierceness of the French and how we've relied on them in nearly every conflict is not funny. Therefore Americans do the latter a hell of a lot less than the former.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Seems to me to have always been a meme, even before the internet. I suspect it's some amount of shit-talking going to an extreme, propaganda that has long just turned into an incomprehensible slush, or it's adopted from other countries' hate of france being treated as self-explanatory and just becoming a given.

    Very rarely is the hate for france real, it's pretty much just a joke anytime it's been used while I've been in earshot.

    The joke template is: Anyone: *says something disparaging about the french that is either very vague or about them being snobbish or quick to surrender*

    Everyone else: *agrees without question or elaboration.*

    I'm sure some portion of the US genuinely does view the French in a bad light, but I've yet to meet them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    As an American, I think a lot of our country really does see the french poorly and fitting for the meme I see it often tied to anti art and anti sophistication attitudes. I suspect it's partly because enough people are so insufferably pro French that it's a common annoyance.

    Ultimately though I do think we're too hard on them by quite a bit. As Americans we ought to be more fair to them as our first allies and our long standing friends and ideological compatriots. Also a lot of our culture was influenced by them as several of our founders were insufferable francophiles.

    Also the joke is stale and anti french sentiments at least in the US are partly tied to their resistance to the Iraq war.

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