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[–] [M] 54 points 4 weeks ago (23 children)

Imma pin this one up for now.

Please remember the rule on celebrating death. Graham was an asshole, that should be enough.

In March 2016, Graham said: "I want you to use my words against me. If there's a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said let's let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination." [1, 2]

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  • [–] 95 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

    What, pray tell, is the “rule” about celebrating death? It couldn’t possibly be some absolute Reddit shit, could it?

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  • [+] [M] -59 points 4 weeks ago (39 children)

    Sidebar rule 6:

    "No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning."

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  • [–] 65 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (14 children)

    Any good justification for this rule you can think of?

    (Also… weird that you’re not actually enforcing it? Is it a “rule” or not?)

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  • [+] [M] -69 points 4 weeks ago (36 children)

    Basic humanity? Graham lacked it, doesn't mean we should.

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  • [–] 105 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (15 children)

    So if we celebrated hitler's death we lack humanity? People should be free to celebrate a death if they feel to. Forcing your idea of a moral code over people is not nice. We are not talking about celebrating violence, a crime or wishing for somebody's death.

    People should be free to express their feelings if they don't hurt anyone, without having to fear the morality police. The point of modorators should be to create a welcoming and safe space, not to impose your morality on others.

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  • [+] [M] -48 points 4 weeks ago (8 children)

    Doesn't matter if you think it's "nice" or not. It's a rule for this community.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Yes, and you could have answered "thanks for your input, but we are going to stick with our rules because we have our reasons", instead you basically tell me "Doesn't matter what you think, these are the rules and you must respect them. No discussion allowed". I mean sure, you make the rules, but the way you enforce them and react to criticism speaks for itself.

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  • [–] 68 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Jesus fucking Christ. We’re really doing this high road virtue signaling bullshit here, too? Cool. Continue being part of the problem, I guess.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    The issue is that what is presented as a single rule is actually several different rules crammed into one sentence. It strings together multiple distinct ideas with commas, making it unclear where one prohibition ends and another begins. If each of those ideas is meant to stand on its own, they should be written as separate rules rather than bundled together under a single heading.

    Secondly, "celebrating death" is an extremely vague concept. Many cultures celebrate death in one form or another. Hindus, for example, have traditions that celebrate the passage into the next life. Creole culture also has a long history of turning funerals into communal celebrations.

    Moreover, what exactly constitutes a celebration of death? If someone feels happy that a particular person has died, they are not necessarily celebrating death itself. They are simply acknowledging that someone they disliked is gone and, in their view, that the world is objectively better off as a result.

    So if I say, "I am happy that so-and-so died," that is not, in and of itself, a morally reprehensible statement. It merely expresses an individual's emotions. No one is obligated to like another person or to feel sadness when they die. Death itself is not a moral act; the act of taking a life is. In this case, the individual died naturally rather than as the result of anyone's actions.

    As a result, I see no compelling reason why death itself should never be celebrated, whether the sentiment is meant to admonish the deceased or to honor them.

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  • [+] [M] -45 points 4 weeks ago (15 children)

    You can say what a terrible person he was without celebrating his death.

    Just like the Charlie Kirk responses:

    "I can’t stand the word empathy actually. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics."

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