▲ 111 ▼ Are Linux phones ready? (lemmy.zip) submitted 1 month ago by shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip to c/linuxphones@lemmy.ca 96 comments fedilink hide all child comments Starting September 30th, there's going to be a tsunami of Android users looking for an alternative system fleeing this developer verification malware. In your opinion, are things like post market OS and the rest of the Linux phone ecosystem ready to take on these new users?
[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago (2 children) Maaaybe SailfishOS? Although it only works on Jolla Phone and Sony Xperia phones... and the new commodore flip phone! permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) Can you even get the Jolla phone in the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uuj8za@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm it sure if it's possible to get a Jolla phone in the US It is possible to get a Sony Xperia 10 with SailfishOS pre-installed in the US though: https://buy.jolla-devices.com/product/sony-xperia-10-iii-sailfish-os/ I bought one and have kinda messed with it a little. I haven't had time to fully switch over yet though. Initial impressions are: it may be a viable route phone calls and SMS work on Mint Mobile basic Android apps work (Whatsapp, Signal) hardware works? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) I am a bit concerned because it sounds like Sailfish OS doesn't have any kind of accessibility settings and I use a combination of magnification and screen reader. I don't think Post Market OS has a screen reader either, but I have seen the accessibility section of GNOME Mobile and PHOSH, and they at least appear to have the zoom capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child) kde plasma has a screen reader so kde plasma mobile probably supports it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wait, kde has a screen reader? Since when? I was only aware of GNOME Orca. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) kde uses orca too in settings: Accessibility > Screen Reader permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I thought Orca would only work for applications written in GTK. I didn't realize it would work for apps built permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago* edit: shit, you meant the J2, I replied as if you asked about SfOS. Well, I'm still leaving this comment. I'm sure someone talked about ordering the J2 to the US as well. Yes. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-in-the-usa/5307/321 (There are other threads discussing SfOS working outside of Europe) permalink fedilink source parent [–] PureTryOut@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago* (2 children) Sadly SFOS is largely (UI, core apps) proprietary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago You're not wrong, but I wouldn't say "largely". It's mostly the elements that guarantee them a niche in the market: their very good Android App Support, some of the UI, plus some carryover from the NOKIA days (but they have started opensourcing some of those apps). The rest is a bog-standard Linux/systemd/wayland system with an rpm/libzypp based package manager. permalink fedilink source parent [–] uuj8za@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Yeah, that's true. It's Linux, but it's not FOSS. Given the lack of viable options and the importance of having an alternative, I'm worried about maintaining the status quo because we don't have a perfect solution. So I'm OK with SailfishOS being partly proprietary for now... and we should push them to open up more. Idk. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) Can you even get the Jolla phone in the US? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uuj8za@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm it sure if it's possible to get a Jolla phone in the US It is possible to get a Sony Xperia 10 with SailfishOS pre-installed in the US though: https://buy.jolla-devices.com/product/sony-xperia-10-iii-sailfish-os/ I bought one and have kinda messed with it a little. I haven't had time to fully switch over yet though. Initial impressions are: it may be a viable route phone calls and SMS work on Mint Mobile basic Android apps work (Whatsapp, Signal) hardware works? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) I am a bit concerned because it sounds like Sailfish OS doesn't have any kind of accessibility settings and I use a combination of magnification and screen reader. I don't think Post Market OS has a screen reader either, but I have seen the accessibility section of GNOME Mobile and PHOSH, and they at least appear to have the zoom capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child) kde plasma has a screen reader so kde plasma mobile probably supports it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wait, kde has a screen reader? Since when? I was only aware of GNOME Orca. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) kde uses orca too in settings: Accessibility > Screen Reader permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I thought Orca would only work for applications written in GTK. I didn't realize it would work for apps built permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago* edit: shit, you meant the J2, I replied as if you asked about SfOS. Well, I'm still leaving this comment. I'm sure someone talked about ordering the J2 to the US as well. Yes. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-in-the-usa/5307/321 (There are other threads discussing SfOS working outside of Europe) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) I'm it sure if it's possible to get a Jolla phone in the US It is possible to get a Sony Xperia 10 with SailfishOS pre-installed in the US though: https://buy.jolla-devices.com/product/sony-xperia-10-iii-sailfish-os/ I bought one and have kinda messed with it a little. I haven't had time to fully switch over yet though. Initial impressions are: it may be a viable route phone calls and SMS work on Mint Mobile basic Android apps work (Whatsapp, Signal) hardware works? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) I am a bit concerned because it sounds like Sailfish OS doesn't have any kind of accessibility settings and I use a combination of magnification and screen reader. I don't think Post Market OS has a screen reader either, but I have seen the accessibility section of GNOME Mobile and PHOSH, and they at least appear to have the zoom capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child) kde plasma has a screen reader so kde plasma mobile probably supports it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wait, kde has a screen reader? Since when? I was only aware of GNOME Orca. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) kde uses orca too in settings: Accessibility > Screen Reader permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I thought Orca would only work for applications written in GTK. I didn't realize it would work for apps built permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) I am a bit concerned because it sounds like Sailfish OS doesn't have any kind of accessibility settings and I use a combination of magnification and screen reader. I don't think Post Market OS has a screen reader either, but I have seen the accessibility section of GNOME Mobile and PHOSH, and they at least appear to have the zoom capabilities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child) kde plasma has a screen reader so kde plasma mobile probably supports it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wait, kde has a screen reader? Since when? I was only aware of GNOME Orca. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) kde uses orca too in settings: Accessibility > Screen Reader permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I thought Orca would only work for applications written in GTK. I didn't realize it would work for apps built permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child) kde plasma has a screen reader so kde plasma mobile probably supports it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wait, kde has a screen reader? Since when? I was only aware of GNOME Orca. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) kde uses orca too in settings: Accessibility > Screen Reader permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I thought Orca would only work for applications written in GTK. I didn't realize it would work for apps built permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wait, kde has a screen reader? Since when? I was only aware of GNOME Orca. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) kde uses orca too in settings: Accessibility > Screen Reader permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I thought Orca would only work for applications written in GTK. I didn't realize it would work for apps built permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) kde uses orca too in settings: Accessibility > Screen Reader permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I thought Orca would only work for applications written in GTK. I didn't realize it would work for apps built permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I thought Orca would only work for applications written in GTK. I didn't realize it would work for apps built permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 weeks ago id assume anything with a compatible accessibility api would work permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago* edit: shit, you meant the J2, I replied as if you asked about SfOS. Well, I'm still leaving this comment. I'm sure someone talked about ordering the J2 to the US as well. Yes. https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-in-the-usa/5307/321 (There are other threads discussing SfOS working outside of Europe) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PureTryOut@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago* (2 children) Sadly SFOS is largely (UI, core apps) proprietary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago You're not wrong, but I wouldn't say "largely". It's mostly the elements that guarantee them a niche in the market: their very good Android App Support, some of the UI, plus some carryover from the NOKIA days (but they have started opensourcing some of those apps). The rest is a bog-standard Linux/systemd/wayland system with an rpm/libzypp based package manager. permalink fedilink source parent [–] uuj8za@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Yeah, that's true. It's Linux, but it's not FOSS. Given the lack of viable options and the importance of having an alternative, I'm worried about maintaining the status quo because we don't have a perfect solution. So I'm OK with SailfishOS being partly proprietary for now... and we should push them to open up more. Idk. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 2 points 1 month ago You're not wrong, but I wouldn't say "largely". It's mostly the elements that guarantee them a niche in the market: their very good Android App Support, some of the UI, plus some carryover from the NOKIA days (but they have started opensourcing some of those apps). The rest is a bog-standard Linux/systemd/wayland system with an rpm/libzypp based package manager. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) Yeah, that's true. It's Linux, but it's not FOSS. Given the lack of viable options and the importance of having an alternative, I'm worried about maintaining the status quo because we don't have a perfect solution. So I'm OK with SailfishOS being partly proprietary for now... and we should push them to open up more. Idk. permalink fedilink source parent