▲ 24 ▼ German coalition announces sweeping reform package (www.dw.com) submitted 1 month ago by Pip@feddit.org to c/europe@feddit.org 27 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -25 points 1 month ago (3 children) No, the middle class tax reductions are financed with tax increases for high earners, not VAT increases that hit working class people harder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 31 points 1 month ago (2 children) That doesn't change the fact that it still doesn't affect the super-rich, who are trying to avoid paying their fair share: These people deliberately generate no taxable earned income. “The working rich” already pay high taxes, which are now being raised just a little bit more. So, when we look at the working population, it ultimately amounts to “robbing Peter to pay Paul.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] 0 points 1 month ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -14 points 1 month ago The reforms don't include a tax on earnings from capital. But that doesn't mean that they negatively affect the working class. What's the evidence doe that claim? permalink fedilink source parent [–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago (1 child) The changes to the taxes are minimal. I'm talking about how they are going to fuck up or social policies and our healthcare system. Or how they claim that being able to hold people in temporary contracts for years will be good for the economy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -18 points 1 month ago (2 children) The 4-year period of temporary contracts affects any employee, not just working class. Which changes to the social policies or healthcare system disproportionately affect the working class? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] alleycat@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago [...]affects any employee, not just working class[...] Any employee is -by definition- working class. permalink fedilink source parent [–] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) How do you distinguish between "employees" and "working class"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -6 points 1 month ago Okay, we meant the same things then, just different words <3 I thought you were referring to the social class (relatively limited wealth, lower occupational autonomy, and less influence over workplace). permalink fedilink source parent [–] cafk@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Doesn't this get countered by the health-care reform they introduced earlier this year, where they're planning to introduce fees for people with kids who are 6 or older - and the family plans also require an increased fee (i.e. partner, whose taking care of the children for example, as part of the family insurance). The 600€ per year that a family of 2 with 2 kids gets reduced by ~€200 per month for the partners & kids insurance. https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/gesundheitsreform-kabinett-2425916 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) It does. The tax break also isnt a break but a pebble Not just that. Remember the retirement payments are going up massively and so much more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pip@feddit.org [S] -1 points 1 month ago How much would be enough? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 31 points 1 month ago (2 children) That doesn't change the fact that it still doesn't affect the super-rich, who are trying to avoid paying their fair share: These people deliberately generate no taxable earned income. “The working rich” already pay high taxes, which are now being raised just a little bit more. So, when we look at the working population, it ultimately amounts to “robbing Peter to pay Paul.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] 0 points 1 month ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -14 points 1 month ago The reforms don't include a tax on earnings from capital. But that doesn't mean that they negatively affect the working class. What's the evidence doe that claim? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -14 points 1 month ago The reforms don't include a tax on earnings from capital. But that doesn't mean that they negatively affect the working class. What's the evidence doe that claim? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago (1 child) The changes to the taxes are minimal. I'm talking about how they are going to fuck up or social policies and our healthcare system. Or how they claim that being able to hold people in temporary contracts for years will be good for the economy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -18 points 1 month ago (2 children) The 4-year period of temporary contracts affects any employee, not just working class. Which changes to the social policies or healthcare system disproportionately affect the working class? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] alleycat@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago [...]affects any employee, not just working class[...] Any employee is -by definition- working class. permalink fedilink source parent [–] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) How do you distinguish between "employees" and "working class"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -6 points 1 month ago Okay, we meant the same things then, just different words <3 I thought you were referring to the social class (relatively limited wealth, lower occupational autonomy, and less influence over workplace). permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -18 points 1 month ago (2 children) The 4-year period of temporary contracts affects any employee, not just working class. Which changes to the social policies or healthcare system disproportionately affect the working class? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] alleycat@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago [...]affects any employee, not just working class[...] Any employee is -by definition- working class. permalink fedilink source parent [–] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) How do you distinguish between "employees" and "working class"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -6 points 1 month ago Okay, we meant the same things then, just different words <3 I thought you were referring to the social class (relatively limited wealth, lower occupational autonomy, and less influence over workplace). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alleycat@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago [...]affects any employee, not just working class[...] Any employee is -by definition- working class. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) How do you distinguish between "employees" and "working class"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -6 points 1 month ago Okay, we meant the same things then, just different words <3 I thought you were referring to the social class (relatively limited wealth, lower occupational autonomy, and less influence over workplace). permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Pip@feddit.org [S] -6 points 1 month ago Okay, we meant the same things then, just different words <3 I thought you were referring to the social class (relatively limited wealth, lower occupational autonomy, and less influence over workplace). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cafk@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Doesn't this get countered by the health-care reform they introduced earlier this year, where they're planning to introduce fees for people with kids who are 6 or older - and the family plans also require an increased fee (i.e. partner, whose taking care of the children for example, as part of the family insurance). The 600€ per year that a family of 2 with 2 kids gets reduced by ~€200 per month for the partners & kids insurance. https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/gesundheitsreform-kabinett-2425916 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) It does. The tax break also isnt a break but a pebble Not just that. Remember the retirement payments are going up massively and so much more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pip@feddit.org [S] -1 points 1 month ago How much would be enough? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) It does. The tax break also isnt a break but a pebble Not just that. Remember the retirement payments are going up massively and so much more permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pip@feddit.org [S] -1 points 1 month ago How much would be enough? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pip@feddit.org [S] -1 points 1 month ago How much would be enough? permalink fedilink source parent