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[+] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Alcohol is sold in most stores from what I know. If drugs, I dunno, drug dealers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Pharmaceutical companies and Alcohol Brands are both run by the 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 bourgeoise 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 you think drug dealers give out free samples? it usually starts with a prescription permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) Pharmaceutical companies and Alcohol Brands are both run by the 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 bourgeoise 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 Do you mean like owned by? Because the actual people running those places are just regular clerks and shit you think drug dealers give out free samples? Some do yeah. Often the dealer isn't some random guy but a person you know or even a friend of yours. They might give you a hit it usually starts with a prescription They do fent or alcohol prescriptions 👀 Not sure what this has to do with the subway benches though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) owned by SOME And yes, fentanyl is used A LOT in medical care and so are multiple other addictive substances such as morphine and other addictive painkillers the homeless are homeless because of the system the best we could do is house them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Right but it's not the transit system's job. Of course they don't want to make commuting worse for all of those non-homeless people using it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) how would people having a place to sleep make commuting worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) How would people struggling with mental, substance abuse and addiction issues camping right next to the commuters make the experience worse, even dangerous, to those commuters? Not much of a question, really. And aside from those, there's piss and shit too and that sort of issues, waste, used needles and stuff. Areas where there's a lot of homeless people unfortunately are pretty dangerous and others start to avoid them Subway stations aren't build to house people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip -5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Alcohol is sold in most stores from what I know. If drugs, I dunno, drug dealers? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Pharmaceutical companies and Alcohol Brands are both run by the 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 bourgeoise 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 you think drug dealers give out free samples? it usually starts with a prescription permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) Pharmaceutical companies and Alcohol Brands are both run by the 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 bourgeoise 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 Do you mean like owned by? Because the actual people running those places are just regular clerks and shit you think drug dealers give out free samples? Some do yeah. Often the dealer isn't some random guy but a person you know or even a friend of yours. They might give you a hit it usually starts with a prescription They do fent or alcohol prescriptions 👀 Not sure what this has to do with the subway benches though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) owned by SOME And yes, fentanyl is used A LOT in medical care and so are multiple other addictive substances such as morphine and other addictive painkillers the homeless are homeless because of the system the best we could do is house them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Right but it's not the transit system's job. Of course they don't want to make commuting worse for all of those non-homeless people using it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) how would people having a place to sleep make commuting worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) How would people struggling with mental, substance abuse and addiction issues camping right next to the commuters make the experience worse, even dangerous, to those commuters? Not much of a question, really. And aside from those, there's piss and shit too and that sort of issues, waste, used needles and stuff. Areas where there's a lot of homeless people unfortunately are pretty dangerous and others start to avoid them Subway stations aren't build to house people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Pharmaceutical companies and Alcohol Brands are both run by the 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 bourgeoise 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 you think drug dealers give out free samples? it usually starts with a prescription permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) Pharmaceutical companies and Alcohol Brands are both run by the 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 bourgeoise 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 Do you mean like owned by? Because the actual people running those places are just regular clerks and shit you think drug dealers give out free samples? Some do yeah. Often the dealer isn't some random guy but a person you know or even a friend of yours. They might give you a hit it usually starts with a prescription They do fent or alcohol prescriptions 👀 Not sure what this has to do with the subway benches though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) owned by SOME And yes, fentanyl is used A LOT in medical care and so are multiple other addictive substances such as morphine and other addictive painkillers the homeless are homeless because of the system the best we could do is house them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Right but it's not the transit system's job. Of course they don't want to make commuting worse for all of those non-homeless people using it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) how would people having a place to sleep make commuting worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) How would people struggling with mental, substance abuse and addiction issues camping right next to the commuters make the experience worse, even dangerous, to those commuters? Not much of a question, really. And aside from those, there's piss and shit too and that sort of issues, waste, used needles and stuff. Areas where there's a lot of homeless people unfortunately are pretty dangerous and others start to avoid them Subway stations aren't build to house people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child) Pharmaceutical companies and Alcohol Brands are both run by the 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 bourgeoise 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁 Do you mean like owned by? Because the actual people running those places are just regular clerks and shit you think drug dealers give out free samples? Some do yeah. Often the dealer isn't some random guy but a person you know or even a friend of yours. They might give you a hit it usually starts with a prescription They do fent or alcohol prescriptions 👀 Not sure what this has to do with the subway benches though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) owned by SOME And yes, fentanyl is used A LOT in medical care and so are multiple other addictive substances such as morphine and other addictive painkillers the homeless are homeless because of the system the best we could do is house them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Right but it's not the transit system's job. Of course they don't want to make commuting worse for all of those non-homeless people using it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) how would people having a place to sleep make commuting worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) How would people struggling with mental, substance abuse and addiction issues camping right next to the commuters make the experience worse, even dangerous, to those commuters? Not much of a question, really. And aside from those, there's piss and shit too and that sort of issues, waste, used needles and stuff. Areas where there's a lot of homeless people unfortunately are pretty dangerous and others start to avoid them Subway stations aren't build to house people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) owned by SOME And yes, fentanyl is used A LOT in medical care and so are multiple other addictive substances such as morphine and other addictive painkillers the homeless are homeless because of the system the best we could do is house them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Right but it's not the transit system's job. Of course they don't want to make commuting worse for all of those non-homeless people using it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) how would people having a place to sleep make commuting worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) How would people struggling with mental, substance abuse and addiction issues camping right next to the commuters make the experience worse, even dangerous, to those commuters? Not much of a question, really. And aside from those, there's piss and shit too and that sort of issues, waste, used needles and stuff. Areas where there's a lot of homeless people unfortunately are pretty dangerous and others start to avoid them Subway stations aren't build to house people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Right but it's not the transit system's job. Of course they don't want to make commuting worse for all of those non-homeless people using it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) how would people having a place to sleep make commuting worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) How would people struggling with mental, substance abuse and addiction issues camping right next to the commuters make the experience worse, even dangerous, to those commuters? Not much of a question, really. And aside from those, there's piss and shit too and that sort of issues, waste, used needles and stuff. Areas where there's a lot of homeless people unfortunately are pretty dangerous and others start to avoid them Subway stations aren't build to house people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) how would people having a place to sleep make commuting worse? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) How would people struggling with mental, substance abuse and addiction issues camping right next to the commuters make the experience worse, even dangerous, to those commuters? Not much of a question, really. And aside from those, there's piss and shit too and that sort of issues, waste, used needles and stuff. Areas where there's a lot of homeless people unfortunately are pretty dangerous and others start to avoid them Subway stations aren't build to house people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children) How would people struggling with mental, substance abuse and addiction issues camping right next to the commuters make the experience worse, even dangerous, to those commuters? Not much of a question, really. And aside from those, there's piss and shit too and that sort of issues, waste, used needles and stuff. Areas where there's a lot of homeless people unfortunately are pretty dangerous and others start to avoid them Subway stations aren't build to house people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) I mean it seems like a lot of that could be avoided by, for example, keeping the goddamn bathrooms open (or making there be public bathrooms). Drugs are already illegal. The station is still a roof over your head, making it preferable to the street whether or not there are benches. Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren't usable by commuters who may need to rest. And this certainly makes that problem go away, I guess. Wouldn't exactly call it solved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) Ironically it seems like the most direct harm done by homeless people sleeping on the benches is that those benches aren’t usable by commuters who may need to rest. I'd see the dangerous and unstable behaviour, the harassment and whatnot faced by the regulat commuters that's a more direct harm, personally permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Maybe my experiences are unusual, but I've seen more harassment and general shittiness from other commuters than I ever have from homeless people camping nearby. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I feel like we're back to the problem of harassment and violence already being illegal. Going back to the immediate question here, removing the benches doesn't make harassment or assholery any more difficult or more consequential. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip -1 points 1 month ago There should be a lot, a lot more commuters than there are homeless. But homeless people unfortunately have very high incidence of mental and substance abuse issues that often manifest in unpredictable and dangerous behaviour. And it's not made for housing people, so facilities for that aren't there and removing the homeless from there (or trying to, rather) you can try to minize the issues and make the place better for commuters. Something being illegal doesn't stop it from happening. I'd prefer more enforcement over removing benches, but with too limited resources I don't think the transit system can really do that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] braxy29@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 child) hm, maybe we could help more people to get houses then? and access to food, basic utilities, and medical / mental health care? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip -2 points 1 month ago And how would the transit authority do this..? permalink fedilink source parent
