▲ 158 ▼ ‘We should be worried’: report sheds light on ICE’s booming arsenal of hi-tech surveillance tools (www.theguardian.com) submitted 1 month ago by trilobite@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml 25 comments fedilink hide all child comments Do Americans really want this crap? I can't believe that we don't hold our governments accountable.
[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 18 points 1 month ago (3 children) racist Americans voted for it, but are finding out how much it sucks. the majority of America never wanted any of this permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) With voter turn outs like that most didn't know or care. Edit: you can downvote but I'd rather see you dispute my claim permalink fedilink source parent [–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) If the "majority of Americans" didn't give enough of a shit to care then they deserve the consequences of their ignorance.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago no one deserves this. voting patterns aren't simply "ignorance", they're complex. because you dismiss it so easily, you can't fight it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago (1 child) All Americans are racist, they are born in a culturally racist society. You have to live outside the US to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) structural racism and overt racism exist in America and most other places too. all Americans grow up in the racist society that exists here, some of them attempt to fight it, many others don't like it but don't find a way to resist. others actively build and support it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You don't get it. Their racism is even in the little things: asking for someone's ascendency, the obssession with "race" classification (there's only ine race: the human race), the segregation that led to certain ethnic "accents" and so on. All of this shit helps to build up a Geoge Floyd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago American racism is pervasive and there are idiosyncratic ways in which it is expressed here, but Europe and Asia, for example, have their big and small ways of expressing it too. look at how people from Africa or Turkey are treated in Europe, or groups like the Sami, Romani, Uighur, and indigenous peoples everywhere. As another example, Latin America has pervasive colorism, which can also appear in pseudoscientific ways. none of this is to excuse or minimize American racism. it's one of the nation's core atrocities. I just want people in other places to admit how much of a problem it is where they are too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Hell, even the fact that the term "African American" was invented because "black" was considered offensive. Judgement was baked right in (or at least assumed to be by enough that this somehow got popular) to using their skin colour as a descriptor. Which then led to many people being called "African American" despite having no connection to either Africa or America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) This. That Black and Negro are considered offensive is baffling in comparison to White and Brown (this one isn't in the same status than White though so it might be used offensively by some racist mouth shitter). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) With voter turn outs like that most didn't know or care. Edit: you can downvote but I'd rather see you dispute my claim permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 month ago (1 child) If the "majority of Americans" didn't give enough of a shit to care then they deserve the consequences of their ignorance.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago no one deserves this. voting patterns aren't simply "ignorance", they're complex. because you dismiss it so easily, you can't fight it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago no one deserves this. voting patterns aren't simply "ignorance", they're complex. because you dismiss it so easily, you can't fight it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago (1 child) All Americans are racist, they are born in a culturally racist society. You have to live outside the US to get it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) structural racism and overt racism exist in America and most other places too. all Americans grow up in the racist society that exists here, some of them attempt to fight it, many others don't like it but don't find a way to resist. others actively build and support it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You don't get it. Their racism is even in the little things: asking for someone's ascendency, the obssession with "race" classification (there's only ine race: the human race), the segregation that led to certain ethnic "accents" and so on. All of this shit helps to build up a Geoge Floyd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago American racism is pervasive and there are idiosyncratic ways in which it is expressed here, but Europe and Asia, for example, have their big and small ways of expressing it too. look at how people from Africa or Turkey are treated in Europe, or groups like the Sami, Romani, Uighur, and indigenous peoples everywhere. As another example, Latin America has pervasive colorism, which can also appear in pseudoscientific ways. none of this is to excuse or minimize American racism. it's one of the nation's core atrocities. I just want people in other places to admit how much of a problem it is where they are too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Hell, even the fact that the term "African American" was invented because "black" was considered offensive. Judgement was baked right in (or at least assumed to be by enough that this somehow got popular) to using their skin colour as a descriptor. Which then led to many people being called "African American" despite having no connection to either Africa or America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) This. That Black and Negro are considered offensive is baffling in comparison to White and Brown (this one isn't in the same status than White though so it might be used offensively by some racist mouth shitter). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago (1 child) structural racism and overt racism exist in America and most other places too. all Americans grow up in the racist society that exists here, some of them attempt to fight it, many others don't like it but don't find a way to resist. others actively build and support it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You don't get it. Their racism is even in the little things: asking for someone's ascendency, the obssession with "race" classification (there's only ine race: the human race), the segregation that led to certain ethnic "accents" and so on. All of this shit helps to build up a Geoge Floyd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago American racism is pervasive and there are idiosyncratic ways in which it is expressed here, but Europe and Asia, for example, have their big and small ways of expressing it too. look at how people from Africa or Turkey are treated in Europe, or groups like the Sami, Romani, Uighur, and indigenous peoples everywhere. As another example, Latin America has pervasive colorism, which can also appear in pseudoscientific ways. none of this is to excuse or minimize American racism. it's one of the nation's core atrocities. I just want people in other places to admit how much of a problem it is where they are too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Hell, even the fact that the term "African American" was invented because "black" was considered offensive. Judgement was baked right in (or at least assumed to be by enough that this somehow got popular) to using their skin colour as a descriptor. Which then led to many people being called "African American" despite having no connection to either Africa or America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) This. That Black and Negro are considered offensive is baffling in comparison to White and Brown (this one isn't in the same status than White though so it might be used offensively by some racist mouth shitter). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You don't get it. Their racism is even in the little things: asking for someone's ascendency, the obssession with "race" classification (there's only ine race: the human race), the segregation that led to certain ethnic "accents" and so on. All of this shit helps to build up a Geoge Floyd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago American racism is pervasive and there are idiosyncratic ways in which it is expressed here, but Europe and Asia, for example, have their big and small ways of expressing it too. look at how people from Africa or Turkey are treated in Europe, or groups like the Sami, Romani, Uighur, and indigenous peoples everywhere. As another example, Latin America has pervasive colorism, which can also appear in pseudoscientific ways. none of this is to excuse or minimize American racism. it's one of the nation's core atrocities. I just want people in other places to admit how much of a problem it is where they are too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Hell, even the fact that the term "African American" was invented because "black" was considered offensive. Judgement was baked right in (or at least assumed to be by enough that this somehow got popular) to using their skin colour as a descriptor. Which then led to many people being called "African American" despite having no connection to either Africa or America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) This. That Black and Negro are considered offensive is baffling in comparison to White and Brown (this one isn't in the same status than White though so it might be used offensively by some racist mouth shitter). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago American racism is pervasive and there are idiosyncratic ways in which it is expressed here, but Europe and Asia, for example, have their big and small ways of expressing it too. look at how people from Africa or Turkey are treated in Europe, or groups like the Sami, Romani, Uighur, and indigenous peoples everywhere. As another example, Latin America has pervasive colorism, which can also appear in pseudoscientific ways. none of this is to excuse or minimize American racism. it's one of the nation's core atrocities. I just want people in other places to admit how much of a problem it is where they are too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Hell, even the fact that the term "African American" was invented because "black" was considered offensive. Judgement was baked right in (or at least assumed to be by enough that this somehow got popular) to using their skin colour as a descriptor. Which then led to many people being called "African American" despite having no connection to either Africa or America. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) This. That Black and Negro are considered offensive is baffling in comparison to White and Brown (this one isn't in the same status than White though so it might be used offensively by some racist mouth shitter). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SocialistVibes01@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) This. That Black and Negro are considered offensive is baffling in comparison to White and Brown (this one isn't in the same status than White though so it might be used offensively by some racist mouth shitter). permalink fedilink source parent