▲ 406 ▼ They aren't gonna stop are they? (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 1 month ago by Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world 63 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/71026243
[–] Innerworld@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Capitalism is inherently expansionist. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Not just capitalism, but every human system almost, will have those in power--by whatever philosophy--to continue to expand their power until things start to break down/heads start rolling. There's temptation to think we're living in a unique point of history, but we're just the fresh turn of the wheel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vapordays@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) The point of criticizing capitalism is to address the inherent flaws in the current system, and to supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it (or if there even could be a "top"). It definitely is a unique point in history as well, even if it rhymes with previous points and we're still humans all along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) You're espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vapordays@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) You’re espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. You're misunderstanding entirely and making a strawman argument permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it If Inherently limiting the power of people in any LARGE society isn't utopic, please let me know when it's ever been done before and how it it was achieved; and remember I specified large society. Humans fare better in smaller societies... until they get invaded by a larger one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'd argue aiming for the perfect future utopia helps make things better here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure. It has utility, just like believing in God has utility; doesn't make it any more true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Not just capitalism, but every human system almost, will have those in power--by whatever philosophy--to continue to expand their power until things start to break down/heads start rolling. There's temptation to think we're living in a unique point of history, but we're just the fresh turn of the wheel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vapordays@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) The point of criticizing capitalism is to address the inherent flaws in the current system, and to supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it (or if there even could be a "top"). It definitely is a unique point in history as well, even if it rhymes with previous points and we're still humans all along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) You're espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vapordays@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) You’re espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. You're misunderstanding entirely and making a strawman argument permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it If Inherently limiting the power of people in any LARGE society isn't utopic, please let me know when it's ever been done before and how it it was achieved; and remember I specified large society. Humans fare better in smaller societies... until they get invaded by a larger one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'd argue aiming for the perfect future utopia helps make things better here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure. It has utility, just like believing in God has utility; doesn't make it any more true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vapordays@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) The point of criticizing capitalism is to address the inherent flaws in the current system, and to supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it (or if there even could be a "top"). It definitely is a unique point in history as well, even if it rhymes with previous points and we're still humans all along. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) You're espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vapordays@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) You’re espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. You're misunderstanding entirely and making a strawman argument permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it If Inherently limiting the power of people in any LARGE society isn't utopic, please let me know when it's ever been done before and how it it was achieved; and remember I specified large society. Humans fare better in smaller societies... until they get invaded by a larger one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'd argue aiming for the perfect future utopia helps make things better here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure. It has utility, just like believing in God has utility; doesn't make it any more true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) You're espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] vapordays@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) You’re espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. You're misunderstanding entirely and making a strawman argument permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it If Inherently limiting the power of people in any LARGE society isn't utopic, please let me know when it's ever been done before and how it it was achieved; and remember I specified large society. Humans fare better in smaller societies... until they get invaded by a larger one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] justaman123@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'd argue aiming for the perfect future utopia helps make things better here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure. It has utility, just like believing in God has utility; doesn't make it any more true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vapordays@leminal.space 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) You’re espousing a fantasy future permanent utopia, a common article of faith among progressives. You're misunderstanding entirely and making a strawman argument permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it If Inherently limiting the power of people in any LARGE society isn't utopic, please let me know when it's ever been done before and how it it was achieved; and remember I specified large society. Humans fare better in smaller societies... until they get invaded by a larger one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago supplant it with a different system that inherently limits the wealth/power of the people at "the top" of it If Inherently limiting the power of people in any LARGE society isn't utopic, please let me know when it's ever been done before and how it it was achieved; and remember I specified large society. Humans fare better in smaller societies... until they get invaded by a larger one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I'd argue aiming for the perfect future utopia helps make things better here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure. It has utility, just like believing in God has utility; doesn't make it any more true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Sure. It has utility, just like believing in God has utility; doesn't make it any more true. permalink fedilink source parent
