▲ 403 ▼ There is no pro capitalist left (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 month ago by cm0002@mander.xyz to c/actualsocialism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 91 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] garbagehead@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) Absolutely true statement. Capitalism may be nuanced and politics may be, but support for capitalism is not pro-left in the least. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] holy_scroller@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) How about he Sherman Antitrust Act. It is obviously left wing to oppose monopolies, and yet it fit into and supports a capitalist system. Even communist China has significant capitalist elements. Most notably, in "post capitalist" Star Trek, Jean-Luc Picard owned a fucking vineyard in France. You telling me everyone who wanted a French Vineyard got a French Vineyard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) China is not communist lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Correct, China is socialist, the intermediary step between the capitalist mode of production and the communist mode of production. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) If China is not communist, then America is not capitalist (neither passes the purity test per definition) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Communism is per definition a stateless classless society. Capitalism is when the means of production is in private ownership which is the norm everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Your definition of capitalism is wrong. Private enterprise/owning of production predates capitalism. You can look to Smith or Marx for much more generous depictions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Whart is the correct definition of capitalism then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Smith in coming up with it viewed it as a system that would pay people based on hours worked so that the rich who sat around getting money off the backs of workers would be punished and the workers would be rewarded. Marx saw it as a system that dispersed power from the nobles to the merchant class. (With socialism as the next step of expansion) As a contrast to mercantilism we can say it's a non-protectionist system based on globalization/mass imports and exports. Really the system never changed, the idea of capitalism was just a rebranding for the wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago It is obviously left wing to oppose monopolies Eh, it’s also pretty centrist as well. I think you’re participating in a little bit of category sleight-of-hand there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] holy_scroller@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) How about he Sherman Antitrust Act. It is obviously left wing to oppose monopolies, and yet it fit into and supports a capitalist system. Even communist China has significant capitalist elements. Most notably, in "post capitalist" Star Trek, Jean-Luc Picard owned a fucking vineyard in France. You telling me everyone who wanted a French Vineyard got a French Vineyard? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) China is not communist lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Correct, China is socialist, the intermediary step between the capitalist mode of production and the communist mode of production. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) If China is not communist, then America is not capitalist (neither passes the purity test per definition) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Communism is per definition a stateless classless society. Capitalism is when the means of production is in private ownership which is the norm everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Your definition of capitalism is wrong. Private enterprise/owning of production predates capitalism. You can look to Smith or Marx for much more generous depictions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Whart is the correct definition of capitalism then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Smith in coming up with it viewed it as a system that would pay people based on hours worked so that the rich who sat around getting money off the backs of workers would be punished and the workers would be rewarded. Marx saw it as a system that dispersed power from the nobles to the merchant class. (With socialism as the next step of expansion) As a contrast to mercantilism we can say it's a non-protectionist system based on globalization/mass imports and exports. Really the system never changed, the idea of capitalism was just a rebranding for the wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago It is obviously left wing to oppose monopolies Eh, it’s also pretty centrist as well. I think you’re participating in a little bit of category sleight-of-hand there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (2 children) China is not communist lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Correct, China is socialist, the intermediary step between the capitalist mode of production and the communist mode of production. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) If China is not communist, then America is not capitalist (neither passes the purity test per definition) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Communism is per definition a stateless classless society. Capitalism is when the means of production is in private ownership which is the norm everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Your definition of capitalism is wrong. Private enterprise/owning of production predates capitalism. You can look to Smith or Marx for much more generous depictions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Whart is the correct definition of capitalism then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Smith in coming up with it viewed it as a system that would pay people based on hours worked so that the rich who sat around getting money off the backs of workers would be punished and the workers would be rewarded. Marx saw it as a system that dispersed power from the nobles to the merchant class. (With socialism as the next step of expansion) As a contrast to mercantilism we can say it's a non-protectionist system based on globalization/mass imports and exports. Really the system never changed, the idea of capitalism was just a rebranding for the wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Correct, China is socialist, the intermediary step between the capitalist mode of production and the communist mode of production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) If China is not communist, then America is not capitalist (neither passes the purity test per definition) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Communism is per definition a stateless classless society. Capitalism is when the means of production is in private ownership which is the norm everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Your definition of capitalism is wrong. Private enterprise/owning of production predates capitalism. You can look to Smith or Marx for much more generous depictions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Whart is the correct definition of capitalism then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Smith in coming up with it viewed it as a system that would pay people based on hours worked so that the rich who sat around getting money off the backs of workers would be punished and the workers would be rewarded. Marx saw it as a system that dispersed power from the nobles to the merchant class. (With socialism as the next step of expansion) As a contrast to mercantilism we can say it's a non-protectionist system based on globalization/mass imports and exports. Really the system never changed, the idea of capitalism was just a rebranding for the wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Communism is per definition a stateless classless society. Capitalism is when the means of production is in private ownership which is the norm everywhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Your definition of capitalism is wrong. Private enterprise/owning of production predates capitalism. You can look to Smith or Marx for much more generous depictions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Whart is the correct definition of capitalism then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Smith in coming up with it viewed it as a system that would pay people based on hours worked so that the rich who sat around getting money off the backs of workers would be punished and the workers would be rewarded. Marx saw it as a system that dispersed power from the nobles to the merchant class. (With socialism as the next step of expansion) As a contrast to mercantilism we can say it's a non-protectionist system based on globalization/mass imports and exports. Really the system never changed, the idea of capitalism was just a rebranding for the wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Your definition of capitalism is wrong. Private enterprise/owning of production predates capitalism. You can look to Smith or Marx for much more generous depictions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Whart is the correct definition of capitalism then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Smith in coming up with it viewed it as a system that would pay people based on hours worked so that the rich who sat around getting money off the backs of workers would be punished and the workers would be rewarded. Marx saw it as a system that dispersed power from the nobles to the merchant class. (With socialism as the next step of expansion) As a contrast to mercantilism we can say it's a non-protectionist system based on globalization/mass imports and exports. Really the system never changed, the idea of capitalism was just a rebranding for the wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Whart is the correct definition of capitalism then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Smith in coming up with it viewed it as a system that would pay people based on hours worked so that the rich who sat around getting money off the backs of workers would be punished and the workers would be rewarded. Marx saw it as a system that dispersed power from the nobles to the merchant class. (With socialism as the next step of expansion) As a contrast to mercantilism we can say it's a non-protectionist system based on globalization/mass imports and exports. Really the system never changed, the idea of capitalism was just a rebranding for the wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago Smith in coming up with it viewed it as a system that would pay people based on hours worked so that the rich who sat around getting money off the backs of workers would be punished and the workers would be rewarded. Marx saw it as a system that dispersed power from the nobles to the merchant class. (With socialism as the next step of expansion) As a contrast to mercantilism we can say it's a non-protectionist system based on globalization/mass imports and exports. Really the system never changed, the idea of capitalism was just a rebranding for the wealthy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago It is obviously left wing to oppose monopolies Eh, it’s also pretty centrist as well. I think you’re participating in a little bit of category sleight-of-hand there. permalink fedilink source parent