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[–] beep@piefed.world [S] 67 points 1 month ago (2 children) The racist slur “Paki”. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 month ago (6 children) Huh til. Never heard this before. Gotta be honest tho I'm kinda surprised its a slur, don't get me wrong I won't be using it, but it does feel like a "good" shorthand for Pakistani. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 30 points 1 month ago (4 children) Seriously, I've heard people say "Pakis" as a short for Pakistani in a non-insulting way, similar to Spaniards or Aussies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 month ago Funny enough it actually mentions in the Wikipedia article that most Americans are unfamiliar with the slur. I'll be honest without this thread if I heard someone say it, I would probably have used it unknowingly just assuming it was similar to Aussie or something. This is not to make light of the slur, but if someone called me an "Ameri" I would probably just assume they're French, which might be meaner than anything they're trying to say to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KingKong33@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is Spaniard not the correct term? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (2 children) the one person from spain that i knew told me not to use it. she said it was like using ‘chinaman’ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 child) “Spaniard” is the preferred and most-official demonym. IDK what she was on about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) um, being from spain. where you from internet stranger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago Canada originally, but I worked in Caceres and then Madrid for almost 15 years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (2 children) NGL I sat here for like 40 seconds wondering what you call people from Spain before remembering that Spanish can refer to both language and people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago indeed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) The bigger issue is that Spanish is an adjective, and we're looking for nouns. You can say "an Aussie" or "a Spaniard". You can't say "a Spanish". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 1 point 1 month ago What about "A Spanish Inquisition" tho Zag ? :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) I’ve heard people say “Pakis” as a short for Pakistani in a non-insulting way Non-insulting according to whom? Some people are so ingrained to racism that they don't even sound racist. It's like old people who say "negro" but don't mean to offend. They're just unconsciously recycling the racism in which they were indoctrinated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago As discussed in this thread, America doesnt really have the same historical racist context. I would not be shocked if Pakistani people here were okay with it because the context is different or i would not be shocked if American Pakistanis also didn't know. This is not a defense of the word, I will not (and really have never used it) just idly noting that context is very important. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 point 1 month ago Ah, but it is such a fun word! Shortening it takes out the fun of saying the full Pakistani. permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago (1 child) Racism has different manifestations in different places. It kind of shows how stupid it all is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Imagine me when I first got to Australia as an Englishman to see a big headline in the newspaper saying something like, "Pakis lose to England". I was like, Whaaaaaaaaat !!!!!! I've now been here 32 years and I sometimes explain to Aussies that Brits aren't allowed to use that word, which they're rather surprised about. Because as you said in your last two sentences. Cheers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tleb@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) Here in Canada in the 00s I remember it being a really bad slur. I haven't really heard it used at all since then though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago (1 child) Which is hilarious, because in new England a "packy" is a package store, which is a euphemism for a liquor store. So I got quite a few looks when I asked if we were going to "hit the packy" on the way to the party.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago There's an old movie on YT called Shield for Murder with a character named Packy and the subtitles censor the name. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bryndos@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Very much not good in England. You might well think England did enough to fuck up that part of the world in '47. But no we still have to be a bucket load of racist cunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Its actually mildly interesting, are there other slurs that really wouldn't be slurs in another country? The F slur would be one I suppose is just a cigarette for some people? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Cunt is a really nasty misogynist slur in the USA and a friendly mild ribbing in the UK and Australia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago Oh yes! This is another one good shout out! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) You can't say spaz in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Lol. As an Englishman in Australia I do enjoy using that word. Spazzed out just means went a bit wild. Spastic drunk is fine too, well I think...... permalink fedilink source parent [–] bryndos@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (6 children) Yeah "fag" is fine in context such as: "I'm just nipping out for a fag" "Can I bum a fag?" But you can't say it to, or about, a person, well, unless you're a homophobe. 'faggot' is almost always a slur though, you'd better be in that rare circumstance where you're very clearly referring to a bundle of sticks otherwise, no. I guess 'nip' is also occasionally a racist slur for Japanese, but normally quite innocent; just something quick. or a pinch, or a wee dram. Vaguely related, you might be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari. A few British slang terms migrated out of queer-creoles into more mainstream usage , possibly via popular radio and tv. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Monument@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago A British comedian friend living in the U.S. used to (15-ish years ago) have a joke about asking a guy outside a bar in middle America if he could bum a fag. He would impersonate the most southern accent he could muster and say “I don’t care. Ain’t no business of mine.” As part of a joke about cultural differences/how the U.S. could be unexpectedly wholesome. Never asked if that was a true story. We fell out awhile ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Fancy a fag? What? You're a fag! No mate. Fag means cigerette. You're a cigerette! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Clarkson got in trouble for noticing a slant on a bridge. I didn't even realise he was being offensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* oh yes I will be looking at that, thanks! edit: Another one (please someone correct any parts of this that are wrong). I believe in Korean "you" or some other way of addressing people sounds quite similar to the n-word. quick edit 2: though I guess different languages don't really count in quite the same way, its similar though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago "Just going to pop outside to smoke a removed" would not raise eyebrows in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 1 month ago Nothing wrong with a good helping of faggots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I was going to talk about shortening of Nigeria, but apparently the entomology is completely separate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Entomology? I'm not sure where insects come into it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago My spelling was way odd. I mean Etymology. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Language is weird. Paki is absolutely a racist slur for Pakistani but then Brit is totally acceptable for a British person despite the two words having the exact same origin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 5too@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Isn't Brit a British term originally? I'd guess that'd the reason it's considered different permalink fedilink source parent [–] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago U sure it isn't "Pajeet"? That one seems worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 1 month ago (6 children) Huh til. Never heard this before. Gotta be honest tho I'm kinda surprised its a slur, don't get me wrong I won't be using it, but it does feel like a "good" shorthand for Pakistani. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 30 points 1 month ago (4 children) Seriously, I've heard people say "Pakis" as a short for Pakistani in a non-insulting way, similar to Spaniards or Aussies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 month ago Funny enough it actually mentions in the Wikipedia article that most Americans are unfamiliar with the slur. I'll be honest without this thread if I heard someone say it, I would probably have used it unknowingly just assuming it was similar to Aussie or something. This is not to make light of the slur, but if someone called me an "Ameri" I would probably just assume they're French, which might be meaner than anything they're trying to say to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KingKong33@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is Spaniard not the correct term? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (2 children) the one person from spain that i knew told me not to use it. she said it was like using ‘chinaman’ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 child) “Spaniard” is the preferred and most-official demonym. IDK what she was on about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) um, being from spain. where you from internet stranger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago Canada originally, but I worked in Caceres and then Madrid for almost 15 years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (2 children) NGL I sat here for like 40 seconds wondering what you call people from Spain before remembering that Spanish can refer to both language and people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago indeed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) The bigger issue is that Spanish is an adjective, and we're looking for nouns. You can say "an Aussie" or "a Spaniard". You can't say "a Spanish". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 1 point 1 month ago What about "A Spanish Inquisition" tho Zag ? :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) I’ve heard people say “Pakis” as a short for Pakistani in a non-insulting way Non-insulting according to whom? Some people are so ingrained to racism that they don't even sound racist. It's like old people who say "negro" but don't mean to offend. They're just unconsciously recycling the racism in which they were indoctrinated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago As discussed in this thread, America doesnt really have the same historical racist context. I would not be shocked if Pakistani people here were okay with it because the context is different or i would not be shocked if American Pakistanis also didn't know. This is not a defense of the word, I will not (and really have never used it) just idly noting that context is very important. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 point 1 month ago Ah, but it is such a fun word! Shortening it takes out the fun of saying the full Pakistani. permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago (1 child) Racism has different manifestations in different places. It kind of shows how stupid it all is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Imagine me when I first got to Australia as an Englishman to see a big headline in the newspaper saying something like, "Pakis lose to England". I was like, Whaaaaaaaaat !!!!!! I've now been here 32 years and I sometimes explain to Aussies that Brits aren't allowed to use that word, which they're rather surprised about. Because as you said in your last two sentences. Cheers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tleb@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) Here in Canada in the 00s I remember it being a really bad slur. I haven't really heard it used at all since then though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago (1 child) Which is hilarious, because in new England a "packy" is a package store, which is a euphemism for a liquor store. So I got quite a few looks when I asked if we were going to "hit the packy" on the way to the party.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago There's an old movie on YT called Shield for Murder with a character named Packy and the subtitles censor the name. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bryndos@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Very much not good in England. You might well think England did enough to fuck up that part of the world in '47. But no we still have to be a bucket load of racist cunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Its actually mildly interesting, are there other slurs that really wouldn't be slurs in another country? The F slur would be one I suppose is just a cigarette for some people? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Cunt is a really nasty misogynist slur in the USA and a friendly mild ribbing in the UK and Australia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago Oh yes! This is another one good shout out! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) You can't say spaz in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Lol. As an Englishman in Australia I do enjoy using that word. Spazzed out just means went a bit wild. Spastic drunk is fine too, well I think...... permalink fedilink source parent [–] bryndos@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (6 children) Yeah "fag" is fine in context such as: "I'm just nipping out for a fag" "Can I bum a fag?" But you can't say it to, or about, a person, well, unless you're a homophobe. 'faggot' is almost always a slur though, you'd better be in that rare circumstance where you're very clearly referring to a bundle of sticks otherwise, no. I guess 'nip' is also occasionally a racist slur for Japanese, but normally quite innocent; just something quick. or a pinch, or a wee dram. Vaguely related, you might be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari. A few British slang terms migrated out of queer-creoles into more mainstream usage , possibly via popular radio and tv. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Monument@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago A British comedian friend living in the U.S. used to (15-ish years ago) have a joke about asking a guy outside a bar in middle America if he could bum a fag. He would impersonate the most southern accent he could muster and say “I don’t care. Ain’t no business of mine.” As part of a joke about cultural differences/how the U.S. could be unexpectedly wholesome. Never asked if that was a true story. We fell out awhile ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Fancy a fag? What? You're a fag! No mate. Fag means cigerette. You're a cigerette! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Clarkson got in trouble for noticing a slant on a bridge. I didn't even realise he was being offensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* oh yes I will be looking at that, thanks! edit: Another one (please someone correct any parts of this that are wrong). I believe in Korean "you" or some other way of addressing people sounds quite similar to the n-word. quick edit 2: though I guess different languages don't really count in quite the same way, its similar though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago "Just going to pop outside to smoke a removed" would not raise eyebrows in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 1 month ago Nothing wrong with a good helping of faggots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I was going to talk about shortening of Nigeria, but apparently the entomology is completely separate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Entomology? I'm not sure where insects come into it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago My spelling was way odd. I mean Etymology. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Language is weird. Paki is absolutely a racist slur for Pakistani but then Brit is totally acceptable for a British person despite the two words having the exact same origin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 5too@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Isn't Brit a British term originally? I'd guess that'd the reason it's considered different permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 30 points 1 month ago (4 children) Seriously, I've heard people say "Pakis" as a short for Pakistani in a non-insulting way, similar to Spaniards or Aussies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 month ago Funny enough it actually mentions in the Wikipedia article that most Americans are unfamiliar with the slur. I'll be honest without this thread if I heard someone say it, I would probably have used it unknowingly just assuming it was similar to Aussie or something. This is not to make light of the slur, but if someone called me an "Ameri" I would probably just assume they're French, which might be meaner than anything they're trying to say to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KingKong33@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is Spaniard not the correct term? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (2 children) the one person from spain that i knew told me not to use it. she said it was like using ‘chinaman’ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 child) “Spaniard” is the preferred and most-official demonym. IDK what she was on about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) um, being from spain. where you from internet stranger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago Canada originally, but I worked in Caceres and then Madrid for almost 15 years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (2 children) NGL I sat here for like 40 seconds wondering what you call people from Spain before remembering that Spanish can refer to both language and people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago indeed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) The bigger issue is that Spanish is an adjective, and we're looking for nouns. You can say "an Aussie" or "a Spaniard". You can't say "a Spanish". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 1 point 1 month ago What about "A Spanish Inquisition" tho Zag ? :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) I’ve heard people say “Pakis” as a short for Pakistani in a non-insulting way Non-insulting according to whom? Some people are so ingrained to racism that they don't even sound racist. It's like old people who say "negro" but don't mean to offend. They're just unconsciously recycling the racism in which they were indoctrinated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago As discussed in this thread, America doesnt really have the same historical racist context. I would not be shocked if Pakistani people here were okay with it because the context is different or i would not be shocked if American Pakistanis also didn't know. This is not a defense of the word, I will not (and really have never used it) just idly noting that context is very important. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 point 1 month ago Ah, but it is such a fun word! Shortening it takes out the fun of saying the full Pakistani. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 month ago Funny enough it actually mentions in the Wikipedia article that most Americans are unfamiliar with the slur. I'll be honest without this thread if I heard someone say it, I would probably have used it unknowingly just assuming it was similar to Aussie or something. This is not to make light of the slur, but if someone called me an "Ameri" I would probably just assume they're French, which might be meaner than anything they're trying to say to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KingKong33@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 child) Is Spaniard not the correct term? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (2 children) the one person from spain that i knew told me not to use it. she said it was like using ‘chinaman’ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 child) “Spaniard” is the preferred and most-official demonym. IDK what she was on about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) um, being from spain. where you from internet stranger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago Canada originally, but I worked in Caceres and then Madrid for almost 15 years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (2 children) NGL I sat here for like 40 seconds wondering what you call people from Spain before remembering that Spanish can refer to both language and people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago indeed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) The bigger issue is that Spanish is an adjective, and we're looking for nouns. You can say "an Aussie" or "a Spaniard". You can't say "a Spanish". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 1 point 1 month ago What about "A Spanish Inquisition" tho Zag ? :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turdburglar@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (2 children) the one person from spain that i knew told me not to use it. she said it was like using ‘chinaman’ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 child) “Spaniard” is the preferred and most-official demonym. IDK what she was on about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) um, being from spain. where you from internet stranger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago Canada originally, but I worked in Caceres and then Madrid for almost 15 years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (2 children) NGL I sat here for like 40 seconds wondering what you call people from Spain before remembering that Spanish can refer to both language and people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago indeed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) The bigger issue is that Spanish is an adjective, and we're looking for nouns. You can say "an Aussie" or "a Spaniard". You can't say "a Spanish". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 1 point 1 month ago What about "A Spanish Inquisition" tho Zag ? :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 child) “Spaniard” is the preferred and most-official demonym. IDK what she was on about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) um, being from spain. where you from internet stranger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago Canada originally, but I worked in Caceres and then Madrid for almost 15 years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turdburglar@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) um, being from spain. where you from internet stranger? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago Canada originally, but I worked in Caceres and then Madrid for almost 15 years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago Canada originally, but I worked in Caceres and then Madrid for almost 15 years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (2 children) NGL I sat here for like 40 seconds wondering what you call people from Spain before remembering that Spanish can refer to both language and people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] turdburglar@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago indeed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) The bigger issue is that Spanish is an adjective, and we're looking for nouns. You can say "an Aussie" or "a Spaniard". You can't say "a Spanish". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 1 point 1 month ago What about "A Spanish Inquisition" tho Zag ? :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) The bigger issue is that Spanish is an adjective, and we're looking for nouns. You can say "an Aussie" or "a Spaniard". You can't say "a Spanish". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 1 point 1 month ago What about "A Spanish Inquisition" tho Zag ? :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 1 point 1 month ago What about "A Spanish Inquisition" tho Zag ? :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) I’ve heard people say “Pakis” as a short for Pakistani in a non-insulting way Non-insulting according to whom? Some people are so ingrained to racism that they don't even sound racist. It's like old people who say "negro" but don't mean to offend. They're just unconsciously recycling the racism in which they were indoctrinated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago As discussed in this thread, America doesnt really have the same historical racist context. I would not be shocked if Pakistani people here were okay with it because the context is different or i would not be shocked if American Pakistanis also didn't know. This is not a defense of the word, I will not (and really have never used it) just idly noting that context is very important. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago As discussed in this thread, America doesnt really have the same historical racist context. I would not be shocked if Pakistani people here were okay with it because the context is different or i would not be shocked if American Pakistanis also didn't know. This is not a defense of the word, I will not (and really have never used it) just idly noting that context is very important. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 point 1 month ago Ah, but it is such a fun word! Shortening it takes out the fun of saying the full Pakistani. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago (1 child) Racism has different manifestations in different places. It kind of shows how stupid it all is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Imagine me when I first got to Australia as an Englishman to see a big headline in the newspaper saying something like, "Pakis lose to England". I was like, Whaaaaaaaaat !!!!!! I've now been here 32 years and I sometimes explain to Aussies that Brits aren't allowed to use that word, which they're rather surprised about. Because as you said in your last two sentences. Cheers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Imagine me when I first got to Australia as an Englishman to see a big headline in the newspaper saying something like, "Pakis lose to England". I was like, Whaaaaaaaaat !!!!!! I've now been here 32 years and I sometimes explain to Aussies that Brits aren't allowed to use that word, which they're rather surprised about. Because as you said in your last two sentences. Cheers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tleb@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (1 child) Here in Canada in the 00s I remember it being a really bad slur. I haven't really heard it used at all since then though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago (1 child) Which is hilarious, because in new England a "packy" is a package store, which is a euphemism for a liquor store. So I got quite a few looks when I asked if we were going to "hit the packy" on the way to the party.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago There's an old movie on YT called Shield for Murder with a character named Packy and the subtitles censor the name. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zebidiah@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago (1 child) Which is hilarious, because in new England a "packy" is a package store, which is a euphemism for a liquor store. So I got quite a few looks when I asked if we were going to "hit the packy" on the way to the party.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago There's an old movie on YT called Shield for Murder with a character named Packy and the subtitles censor the name. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago There's an old movie on YT called Shield for Murder with a character named Packy and the subtitles censor the name. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bryndos@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (1 child) Very much not good in England. You might well think England did enough to fuck up that part of the world in '47. But no we still have to be a bucket load of racist cunts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Its actually mildly interesting, are there other slurs that really wouldn't be slurs in another country? The F slur would be one I suppose is just a cigarette for some people? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Cunt is a really nasty misogynist slur in the USA and a friendly mild ribbing in the UK and Australia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago Oh yes! This is another one good shout out! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) You can't say spaz in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Lol. As an Englishman in Australia I do enjoy using that word. Spazzed out just means went a bit wild. Spastic drunk is fine too, well I think...... permalink fedilink source parent [–] bryndos@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (6 children) Yeah "fag" is fine in context such as: "I'm just nipping out for a fag" "Can I bum a fag?" But you can't say it to, or about, a person, well, unless you're a homophobe. 'faggot' is almost always a slur though, you'd better be in that rare circumstance where you're very clearly referring to a bundle of sticks otherwise, no. I guess 'nip' is also occasionally a racist slur for Japanese, but normally quite innocent; just something quick. or a pinch, or a wee dram. Vaguely related, you might be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari. A few British slang terms migrated out of queer-creoles into more mainstream usage , possibly via popular radio and tv. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Monument@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago A British comedian friend living in the U.S. used to (15-ish years ago) have a joke about asking a guy outside a bar in middle America if he could bum a fag. He would impersonate the most southern accent he could muster and say “I don’t care. Ain’t no business of mine.” As part of a joke about cultural differences/how the U.S. could be unexpectedly wholesome. Never asked if that was a true story. We fell out awhile ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Fancy a fag? What? You're a fag! No mate. Fag means cigerette. You're a cigerette! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Clarkson got in trouble for noticing a slant on a bridge. I didn't even realise he was being offensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* oh yes I will be looking at that, thanks! edit: Another one (please someone correct any parts of this that are wrong). I believe in Korean "you" or some other way of addressing people sounds quite similar to the n-word. quick edit 2: though I guess different languages don't really count in quite the same way, its similar though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago "Just going to pop outside to smoke a removed" would not raise eyebrows in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 1 month ago Nothing wrong with a good helping of faggots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (3 children) Its actually mildly interesting, are there other slurs that really wouldn't be slurs in another country? The F slur would be one I suppose is just a cigarette for some people? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Cunt is a really nasty misogynist slur in the USA and a friendly mild ribbing in the UK and Australia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago Oh yes! This is another one good shout out! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) You can't say spaz in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Lol. As an Englishman in Australia I do enjoy using that word. Spazzed out just means went a bit wild. Spastic drunk is fine too, well I think...... permalink fedilink source parent [–] bryndos@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (6 children) Yeah "fag" is fine in context such as: "I'm just nipping out for a fag" "Can I bum a fag?" But you can't say it to, or about, a person, well, unless you're a homophobe. 'faggot' is almost always a slur though, you'd better be in that rare circumstance where you're very clearly referring to a bundle of sticks otherwise, no. I guess 'nip' is also occasionally a racist slur for Japanese, but normally quite innocent; just something quick. or a pinch, or a wee dram. Vaguely related, you might be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari. A few British slang terms migrated out of queer-creoles into more mainstream usage , possibly via popular radio and tv. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Monument@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago A British comedian friend living in the U.S. used to (15-ish years ago) have a joke about asking a guy outside a bar in middle America if he could bum a fag. He would impersonate the most southern accent he could muster and say “I don’t care. Ain’t no business of mine.” As part of a joke about cultural differences/how the U.S. could be unexpectedly wholesome. Never asked if that was a true story. We fell out awhile ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Fancy a fag? What? You're a fag! No mate. Fag means cigerette. You're a cigerette! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Clarkson got in trouble for noticing a slant on a bridge. I didn't even realise he was being offensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* oh yes I will be looking at that, thanks! edit: Another one (please someone correct any parts of this that are wrong). I believe in Korean "you" or some other way of addressing people sounds quite similar to the n-word. quick edit 2: though I guess different languages don't really count in quite the same way, its similar though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago "Just going to pop outside to smoke a removed" would not raise eyebrows in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 1 month ago Nothing wrong with a good helping of faggots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child) Cunt is a really nasty misogynist slur in the USA and a friendly mild ribbing in the UK and Australia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago Oh yes! This is another one good shout out! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago Oh yes! This is another one good shout out! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Oppopity@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 child) You can't say spaz in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Lol. As an Englishman in Australia I do enjoy using that word. Spazzed out just means went a bit wild. Spastic drunk is fine too, well I think...... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DiaDeLosMuertos@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago Lol. As an Englishman in Australia I do enjoy using that word. Spazzed out just means went a bit wild. Spastic drunk is fine too, well I think...... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bryndos@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (6 children) Yeah "fag" is fine in context such as: "I'm just nipping out for a fag" "Can I bum a fag?" But you can't say it to, or about, a person, well, unless you're a homophobe. 'faggot' is almost always a slur though, you'd better be in that rare circumstance where you're very clearly referring to a bundle of sticks otherwise, no. I guess 'nip' is also occasionally a racist slur for Japanese, but normally quite innocent; just something quick. or a pinch, or a wee dram. Vaguely related, you might be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari. A few British slang terms migrated out of queer-creoles into more mainstream usage , possibly via popular radio and tv. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Monument@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago A British comedian friend living in the U.S. used to (15-ish years ago) have a joke about asking a guy outside a bar in middle America if he could bum a fag. He would impersonate the most southern accent he could muster and say “I don’t care. Ain’t no business of mine.” As part of a joke about cultural differences/how the U.S. could be unexpectedly wholesome. Never asked if that was a true story. We fell out awhile ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Fancy a fag? What? You're a fag! No mate. Fag means cigerette. You're a cigerette! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Clarkson got in trouble for noticing a slant on a bridge. I didn't even realise he was being offensive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* oh yes I will be looking at that, thanks! edit: Another one (please someone correct any parts of this that are wrong). I believe in Korean "you" or some other way of addressing people sounds quite similar to the n-word. quick edit 2: though I guess different languages don't really count in quite the same way, its similar though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago "Just going to pop outside to smoke a removed" would not raise eyebrows in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 1 month ago Nothing wrong with a good helping of faggots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Monument@piefed.world 5 points 1 month ago A British comedian friend living in the U.S. used to (15-ish years ago) have a joke about asking a guy outside a bar in middle America if he could bum a fag. He would impersonate the most southern accent he could muster and say “I don’t care. Ain’t no business of mine.” As part of a joke about cultural differences/how the U.S. could be unexpectedly wholesome. Never asked if that was a true story. We fell out awhile ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago Fancy a fag? What? You're a fag! No mate. Fag means cigerette. You're a cigerette! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago Clarkson got in trouble for noticing a slant on a bridge. I didn't even realise he was being offensive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nora@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* oh yes I will be looking at that, thanks! edit: Another one (please someone correct any parts of this that are wrong). I believe in Korean "you" or some other way of addressing people sounds quite similar to the n-word. quick edit 2: though I guess different languages don't really count in quite the same way, its similar though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 month ago "Just going to pop outside to smoke a removed" would not raise eyebrows in the UK. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 point 1 month ago Nothing wrong with a good helping of faggots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) I was going to talk about shortening of Nigeria, but apparently the entomology is completely separate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Entomology? I'm not sure where insects come into it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago My spelling was way odd. I mean Etymology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CovertOperative@piefed.zip 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Entomology? I'm not sure where insects come into it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago My spelling was way odd. I mean Etymology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago My spelling was way odd. I mean Etymology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Language is weird. Paki is absolutely a racist slur for Pakistani but then Brit is totally acceptable for a British person despite the two words having the exact same origin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 5too@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Isn't Brit a British term originally? I'd guess that'd the reason it's considered different permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 5too@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Isn't Brit a British term originally? I'd guess that'd the reason it's considered different permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago U sure it isn't "Pajeet"? That one seems worse. permalink fedilink source parent