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I'm not racist, but I don't rent to Roma (telex.hu)
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[–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

And this justifies discrimination based on race?

When it's about choosing a place to live with my family you're goddamn right it does.

I can not fathom raising a child in the place where I currently live, next to them. My child would learn the most vile words and risk getting beaten just for being too innocent the second they step outside.

You know when else this discrimination would be justified? In hospitals, where a screaming Roma guy that threatens the nurses constantly, yelling and getting in the way of staff, gets the attention on his friend with a mild fever while an innocent dies of blood loss in the same room. They take advantage of our free urgent care while the people that fund said urgent care die next to them. The distinction between them and everyone else is that they bring their entire extended family to threaten the staff into submission. And, since they're not integrated into society...they don't actually fund that urgent care. I know nurses. Nobody does that, ever, except them, according to nurses and lab workers. Ever seen someone busting into a lab? Our nurses have. It's always the Roma, according to them.

In other contexts, no, it's not justified, at least not in general.

Your take is good tho... We need to give them a chance, but it is so, so fucking tiring and hard not to be racist against them...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (2 children)

    to them ... give them

    "In hospitals, where a screaming [Person] that threatens the nurses constantly, yelling and getting in the way of staff, gets the attention on his friend with a mild fever while an innocent dies of blood loss in the same room." would be better stated.

    There does not exist a "them" also no "they". "distinction between them and everyone else is" -> there is no distinction. Rules are for all no matter who someone thinks they "belong to". I also know nurses and i know a lot of people do stupid thing similar and it doesn't matter who they are but what rules are there and who are breaking them. It's never a whole group of people that do not even know each other. To talk about individual, no matter how many they are, and stating all of them would do x or behave like y is racism imho. Talking about the groups does not help the goal but talking about rules, which matter, which need to change etc. and talking about actions and how they can be prevented without misjudging on a general group that can discriminate would be much better. Should we prevent a whole family going into care if one needs help or should we only ban someone who is arbitrary example over 1,73m or has only 100 freckles?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Doesn't seem to me like he was saying all Roma people are doing these things. What he said is that the only people who do such things are Roma.

    I work in a hospital and can confirm that I do see such things happening every week, and that the only people I've seen behaving that way are Roma. In the hospital it is quite a problem to handle.

    This does not imply all Roma people do such things, but it can be considered a problem generated by Roma people since they are the only people doing such things.

    I know many heroin addicts, most of them are great people. Would it be discriminatory to say that a city has a problem with heroin addicts if they started finding a bunch of syringes in kids parks? Indeed, most addicts are responsible and wouldn't leave syringes in such places, but the problem is there and is caused by people who are heroin addicts.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    This is why I usually don't talk about this kind of thing. It's as if you didn't even read what I said. You skimmed 2 words, thought "that's racism", then replied.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    You are wrong, i read your text completely and you obviously did not read what i wrote as otherwise you would have never came to the conclusion that i skimmed 2 words. Your whole text talks about "them" and "they" which is imho racism and fits the article which states

    Bori Simonovits, however, noted that when they asked Hungarians to justify their views on discrimination, many began their sentences with “I’m not racist, but…,” only to follow that up with statements that fully embodied the concept of racism.

    Most who don't want to see that those views are racism usually don't talk about it, because they don't want to confront that it is racist and wrong. To be a bit more precise and not to try to go aggressively against you, it is prejudice which everyone will encounter from time to time, but you should realize that you cannot say things about a whole "group" of people. The sentiment to put everyone into a category, might help evolutionary, but is wrong. Just think about Families and especially their Kids. Can't those change, can't they be completely different from each other, even so they both say they are belonging to Group XYZ?

    Indicating problematic behaviors is right and correct but allocating to every "member of a group" is wrong and unhelpful.

    Even your remarks

    In other contexts, no, it’s not justified, at least not in general. Your take is good tho… We need to give them a chance, but it is so, so fucking tiring and hard not to be racist against them…

    Don't change that. You are still talking about them and vaguely about "In other contexts". No its never justified. Also no it's not hard to not be racist against anyone and with some training it comes natural, if you want it.

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