β² 218 βΌ NewPipe, other open-source apps are preparing users for Google's sideloading crackdown on Android (www.androidauthority.com) submitted 2 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to c/android@lemdro.id 36 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[β] lemmyng@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (4 children) Laughs in GrapheneOS permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (2 children) Honestly, this still worries me. There is no telling how many apps I rely on will evaporate over the next year. Several devs have already announced sunsetting their projects. There are a number of projects that rely on on user installs, either because they are small passion projects (it costs money to be on the Play Store), or because they provide a function that is not permitted by Google Play. Without a vibrant community outside of the play store supporting them, it's hard to see how they will all survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Mountainaire@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children) What if a proxy dev account offered to put up a bunch of devs' apps on the store? Could at least some of them be satisfied by pseudo-anonymity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago This is a double edged sword. You risk hostile takeover if the Dev has bad intentions and you risk suddenly being off the store if the Dev account gets blocked for one of the other apps. For me it would not be worth the hassle. permalink fedilink source parent [β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago I suppose if somebody could organize a team of volunteers to pay for the Play Store fees, and take care of the logistics for small devs to get their apps approved, then it might be possible. permalink fedilink source parent [β] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Play store charged a one time fee for lifetime. I didn't see it changing. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Cryxtalix@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago* (1 child) Graphene is insanely good. It's even better than classic custom roms, since you can actually easily install google play. I'm avoiding Google's stupid crackdowns, getting additional security, all while having most of my stuff still work. Most apps just work. My games and paid apps still work. Google wallet doesn't work, but I just used my physical cards. McDonald's app doesn't work, but that might've been a benefit to my health. Overall, couldn't believe a security focused product had such good usability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I can't get any banking apps to work. I just use their web version in a pinch. Only loss I've experienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago My banking app works without use issue. I really haven't had any issues with graphene. Hoping that the Motorola partnership will produce some great phones by the time I need to upgrade. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Have you tried enabling exploit compatibility mode for your bank app? I know that's what fixed it for mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Holy crap, you're right! Fixed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Nice! permalink fedilink source parent [β] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) I wish there were a way to easily back my shit up before flashing on my pixel 10 fold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) It used to be "get root, Titanium Backup, wipe & flash, selectively restore app backups". I even paid a whole dollar for TB Pro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Me too. So easy. Because of that rooting was my first step when I got a new phone. Now I'm dealing with not being able to run bank apps or other things I need. So fun... permalink fedilink source parent [β] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I'm confused. Has Graphene said they're not going to comply with Google's policy for installing 3rd party apps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zak@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago The policy is mandated for "certified" Android devices. Those have Google apps preloaded and pass Google's remote attestation. GrapheneOS is not certified and has no plans to be. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) This crap from Google requires Google Services (Play, etc) - OS's like Graphene and Lineage don't have those services pre-installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Nexus@infosec.pub 5 points 2 months ago (3 children) I'm not a GrapheneOS user (yet). However, as I understand it GrapheneOS does not obligate the installation of "Google Play Services" but does permit the installation of the service in a sandboxed environment (or separate profile). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago You understand correctly. permalink fedilink source parent [β] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Join us... permalink fedilink source parent [β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Yep. GrapheneOS provides the Google apps that you wouldn't be able to easily get otherwise, but allows you to install them or not. And they come with additional privacy protections. permalink fedilink source parent [β] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) I wonder how long it'll be before google services/play refuse to install on anything that is not "Google Certified". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] muhyb@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago It's already like that on Xiaomi phones for a while. They don't let you install anything outside of Play Store. Even if you install them via unlocking developer options and using adb, they just won't run. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 36 points 2 months ago (2 children) Honestly, this still worries me. There is no telling how many apps I rely on will evaporate over the next year. Several devs have already announced sunsetting their projects. There are a number of projects that rely on on user installs, either because they are small passion projects (it costs money to be on the Play Store), or because they provide a function that is not permitted by Google Play. Without a vibrant community outside of the play store supporting them, it's hard to see how they will all survive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Mountainaire@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children) What if a proxy dev account offered to put up a bunch of devs' apps on the store? Could at least some of them be satisfied by pseudo-anonymity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago This is a double edged sword. You risk hostile takeover if the Dev has bad intentions and you risk suddenly being off the store if the Dev account gets blocked for one of the other apps. For me it would not be worth the hassle. permalink fedilink source parent [β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago I suppose if somebody could organize a team of volunteers to pay for the Play Store fees, and take care of the logistics for small devs to get their apps approved, then it might be possible. permalink fedilink source parent [β] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Play store charged a one time fee for lifetime. I didn't see it changing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Mountainaire@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children) What if a proxy dev account offered to put up a bunch of devs' apps on the store? Could at least some of them be satisfied by pseudo-anonymity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago This is a double edged sword. You risk hostile takeover if the Dev has bad intentions and you risk suddenly being off the store if the Dev account gets blocked for one of the other apps. For me it would not be worth the hassle. permalink fedilink source parent [β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago I suppose if somebody could organize a team of volunteers to pay for the Play Store fees, and take care of the logistics for small devs to get their apps approved, then it might be possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago This is a double edged sword. You risk hostile takeover if the Dev has bad intentions and you risk suddenly being off the store if the Dev account gets blocked for one of the other apps. For me it would not be worth the hassle. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago I suppose if somebody could organize a team of volunteers to pay for the Play Store fees, and take care of the logistics for small devs to get their apps approved, then it might be possible. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Play store charged a one time fee for lifetime. I didn't see it changing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Cryxtalix@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago* (1 child) Graphene is insanely good. It's even better than classic custom roms, since you can actually easily install google play. I'm avoiding Google's stupid crackdowns, getting additional security, all while having most of my stuff still work. Most apps just work. My games and paid apps still work. Google wallet doesn't work, but I just used my physical cards. McDonald's app doesn't work, but that might've been a benefit to my health. Overall, couldn't believe a security focused product had such good usability. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I can't get any banking apps to work. I just use their web version in a pinch. Only loss I've experienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago My banking app works without use issue. I really haven't had any issues with graphene. Hoping that the Motorola partnership will produce some great phones by the time I need to upgrade. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Have you tried enabling exploit compatibility mode for your bank app? I know that's what fixed it for mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Holy crap, you're right! Fixed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Nice! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I can't get any banking apps to work. I just use their web version in a pinch. Only loss I've experienced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago My banking app works without use issue. I really haven't had any issues with graphene. Hoping that the Motorola partnership will produce some great phones by the time I need to upgrade. permalink fedilink source parent [β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Have you tried enabling exploit compatibility mode for your bank app? I know that's what fixed it for mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Holy crap, you're right! Fixed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Nice! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 months ago My banking app works without use issue. I really haven't had any issues with graphene. Hoping that the Motorola partnership will produce some great phones by the time I need to upgrade. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Have you tried enabling exploit compatibility mode for your bank app? I know that's what fixed it for mine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Holy crap, you're right! Fixed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Nice! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Neuromancer49@midwest.social 1 point 1 month ago (1 child) Holy crap, you're right! Fixed it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago Nice! permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) I wish there were a way to easily back my shit up before flashing on my pixel 10 fold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) It used to be "get root, Titanium Backup, wipe & flash, selectively restore app backups". I even paid a whole dollar for TB Pro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Me too. So easy. Because of that rooting was my first step when I got a new phone. Now I'm dealing with not being able to run bank apps or other things I need. So fun... permalink fedilink source parent
[β] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) It used to be "get root, Titanium Backup, wipe & flash, selectively restore app backups". I even paid a whole dollar for TB Pro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Me too. So easy. Because of that rooting was my first step when I got a new phone. Now I'm dealing with not being able to run bank apps or other things I need. So fun... permalink fedilink source parent
[β] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Me too. So easy. Because of that rooting was my first step when I got a new phone. Now I'm dealing with not being able to run bank apps or other things I need. So fun... permalink fedilink source parent
[β] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I'm confused. Has Graphene said they're not going to comply with Google's policy for installing 3rd party apps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Zak@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago The policy is mandated for "certified" Android devices. Those have Google apps preloaded and pass Google's remote attestation. GrapheneOS is not certified and has no plans to be. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) This crap from Google requires Google Services (Play, etc) - OS's like Graphene and Lineage don't have those services pre-installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Nexus@infosec.pub 5 points 2 months ago (3 children) I'm not a GrapheneOS user (yet). However, as I understand it GrapheneOS does not obligate the installation of "Google Play Services" but does permit the installation of the service in a sandboxed environment (or separate profile). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago You understand correctly. permalink fedilink source parent [β] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Join us... permalink fedilink source parent [β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Yep. GrapheneOS provides the Google apps that you wouldn't be able to easily get otherwise, but allows you to install them or not. And they come with additional privacy protections. permalink fedilink source parent [β] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) I wonder how long it'll be before google services/play refuse to install on anything that is not "Google Certified". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] muhyb@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago It's already like that on Xiaomi phones for a while. They don't let you install anything outside of Play Store. Even if you install them via unlocking developer options and using adb, they just won't run. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zak@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago The policy is mandated for "certified" Android devices. Those have Google apps preloaded and pass Google's remote attestation. GrapheneOS is not certified and has no plans to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 months ago (2 children) This crap from Google requires Google Services (Play, etc) - OS's like Graphene and Lineage don't have those services pre-installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Nexus@infosec.pub 5 points 2 months ago (3 children) I'm not a GrapheneOS user (yet). However, as I understand it GrapheneOS does not obligate the installation of "Google Play Services" but does permit the installation of the service in a sandboxed environment (or separate profile). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago You understand correctly. permalink fedilink source parent [β] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Join us... permalink fedilink source parent [β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Yep. GrapheneOS provides the Google apps that you wouldn't be able to easily get otherwise, but allows you to install them or not. And they come with additional privacy protections. permalink fedilink source parent [β] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) I wonder how long it'll be before google services/play refuse to install on anything that is not "Google Certified". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] muhyb@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago It's already like that on Xiaomi phones for a while. They don't let you install anything outside of Play Store. Even if you install them via unlocking developer options and using adb, they just won't run. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Nexus@infosec.pub 5 points 2 months ago (3 children) I'm not a GrapheneOS user (yet). However, as I understand it GrapheneOS does not obligate the installation of "Google Play Services" but does permit the installation of the service in a sandboxed environment (or separate profile). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago You understand correctly. permalink fedilink source parent [β] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Join us... permalink fedilink source parent [β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Yep. GrapheneOS provides the Google apps that you wouldn't be able to easily get otherwise, but allows you to install them or not. And they come with additional privacy protections. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago You understand correctly. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Yep. GrapheneOS provides the Google apps that you wouldn't be able to easily get otherwise, but allows you to install them or not. And they come with additional privacy protections. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) I wonder how long it'll be before google services/play refuse to install on anything that is not "Google Certified". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] muhyb@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago It's already like that on Xiaomi phones for a while. They don't let you install anything outside of Play Store. Even if you install them via unlocking developer options and using adb, they just won't run. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] muhyb@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago It's already like that on Xiaomi phones for a while. They don't let you install anything outside of Play Store. Even if you install them via unlocking developer options and using adb, they just won't run. permalink fedilink source parent