▲ 509 ▼ Russia Can No Longer Take More Land Than Ukraine Liberates, Zelenskyy Says (united24media.com) submitted 2 months ago by EatingOnions@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 143 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 child) It's the only one that has real experience with modern warfare and technology in this century. So they have know how. It's going to be the outpost for the new EU/Nato does not matter where it geographically is, maybe you took that too literally. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -23 points 2 months ago (3 children) Why does Europe want to ally with Ukraine? That will cause the conflict with Russia that you're presumably saying we need defense against. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 child) cause conflict with Russia Are you talking about a new conflict and not the current literal invasion? Because they kinda already crossed that bridge. Then it got blown up like 2 or 3 times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -16 points 2 months ago (1 child) Sorry, are you trying to claim that Russia has invaded an EU member? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) No we use logic and not this back to the future Wodka brain trolling logic. Therefore we do not claim that, no... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -11 points 2 months ago Ok, so what literal invasion are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent [+] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -10 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] dickalan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -10 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children) Europe includes Ukraine, and they are already allies, just without a mutual defense agreement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine is not a member of any defense pact or the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine receives security assurances under the Budapest memorandum (which Russia violated). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago "Europe" is not a signatory to the Budapest memorandum. Neither is NATO, nor the EU. So how this applies to "Europe", which is what the conversation you're responding to is about, is a mystery at best. The UK and US are signatories. NATO is not. Considering that NATO willfully violated the UN Charter (which the Budapest memorandum rests upon) by bombing Yugoslavia in 1999, as well as later actions, it's a pretty selective to claim that that is applicable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Europe also includes Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today -5 points 2 months ago So Europe is supposed to support Ukraine against . . . Europe? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -23 points 2 months ago (3 children) Why does Europe want to ally with Ukraine? That will cause the conflict with Russia that you're presumably saying we need defense against. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 child) cause conflict with Russia Are you talking about a new conflict and not the current literal invasion? Because they kinda already crossed that bridge. Then it got blown up like 2 or 3 times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -16 points 2 months ago (1 child) Sorry, are you trying to claim that Russia has invaded an EU member? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) No we use logic and not this back to the future Wodka brain trolling logic. Therefore we do not claim that, no... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -11 points 2 months ago Ok, so what literal invasion are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent [+] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -10 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] dickalan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -10 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children) Europe includes Ukraine, and they are already allies, just without a mutual defense agreement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine is not a member of any defense pact or the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine receives security assurances under the Budapest memorandum (which Russia violated). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago "Europe" is not a signatory to the Budapest memorandum. Neither is NATO, nor the EU. So how this applies to "Europe", which is what the conversation you're responding to is about, is a mystery at best. The UK and US are signatories. NATO is not. Considering that NATO willfully violated the UN Charter (which the Budapest memorandum rests upon) by bombing Yugoslavia in 1999, as well as later actions, it's a pretty selective to claim that that is applicable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Europe also includes Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today -5 points 2 months ago So Europe is supposed to support Ukraine against . . . Europe? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 child) cause conflict with Russia Are you talking about a new conflict and not the current literal invasion? Because they kinda already crossed that bridge. Then it got blown up like 2 or 3 times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -16 points 2 months ago (1 child) Sorry, are you trying to claim that Russia has invaded an EU member? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) No we use logic and not this back to the future Wodka brain trolling logic. Therefore we do not claim that, no... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -11 points 2 months ago Ok, so what literal invasion are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -16 points 2 months ago (1 child) Sorry, are you trying to claim that Russia has invaded an EU member? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) No we use logic and not this back to the future Wodka brain trolling logic. Therefore we do not claim that, no... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -11 points 2 months ago Ok, so what literal invasion are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) No we use logic and not this back to the future Wodka brain trolling logic. Therefore we do not claim that, no... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -11 points 2 months ago Ok, so what literal invasion are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -11 points 2 months ago Ok, so what literal invasion are you talking about? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -10 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] dickalan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -10 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -10 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] dickalan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] mattyroses@lemmy.today -10 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children) Europe includes Ukraine, and they are already allies, just without a mutual defense agreement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine is not a member of any defense pact or the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine receives security assurances under the Budapest memorandum (which Russia violated). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago "Europe" is not a signatory to the Budapest memorandum. Neither is NATO, nor the EU. So how this applies to "Europe", which is what the conversation you're responding to is about, is a mystery at best. The UK and US are signatories. NATO is not. Considering that NATO willfully violated the UN Charter (which the Budapest memorandum rests upon) by bombing Yugoslavia in 1999, as well as later actions, it's a pretty selective to claim that that is applicable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Europe also includes Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today -5 points 2 months ago So Europe is supposed to support Ukraine against . . . Europe? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine is not a member of any defense pact or the EU. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine receives security assurances under the Budapest memorandum (which Russia violated). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago "Europe" is not a signatory to the Budapest memorandum. Neither is NATO, nor the EU. So how this applies to "Europe", which is what the conversation you're responding to is about, is a mystery at best. The UK and US are signatories. NATO is not. Considering that NATO willfully violated the UN Charter (which the Budapest memorandum rests upon) by bombing Yugoslavia in 1999, as well as later actions, it's a pretty selective to claim that that is applicable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Ukraine receives security assurances under the Budapest memorandum (which Russia violated). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago "Europe" is not a signatory to the Budapest memorandum. Neither is NATO, nor the EU. So how this applies to "Europe", which is what the conversation you're responding to is about, is a mystery at best. The UK and US are signatories. NATO is not. Considering that NATO willfully violated the UN Charter (which the Budapest memorandum rests upon) by bombing Yugoslavia in 1999, as well as later actions, it's a pretty selective to claim that that is applicable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 1 point 2 months ago "Europe" is not a signatory to the Budapest memorandum. Neither is NATO, nor the EU. So how this applies to "Europe", which is what the conversation you're responding to is about, is a mystery at best. The UK and US are signatories. NATO is not. Considering that NATO willfully violated the UN Charter (which the Budapest memorandum rests upon) by bombing Yugoslavia in 1999, as well as later actions, it's a pretty selective to claim that that is applicable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Europe also includes Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today -5 points 2 months ago So Europe is supposed to support Ukraine against . . . Europe? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today -5 points 2 months ago So Europe is supposed to support Ukraine against . . . Europe? permalink fedilink source parent