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From AI coding to AI coding (media.piefed.world)
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[+] -36 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

Y'all will screech but having a giant ass search engine that is able to process patient data in context is incredibly useful.

Y'all are just prejudice. Professionals will be using these tools and they already have been providing excellent real world results. Honestly, if you don't understand how the medical community is using AI/ml with real validated results, you should be keeping your mouth shut on the topic.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    having a giant ass search engine that is able to process patient data in context is incredibly useful.

    Yeah. Wouldn’t that be nice. That’s not what an LLM is, however.

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  • [+] -15 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why did you assume AI = only LLM? LLMs are just one type of AI, and not the type most often used in medicine

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Reid Hoffman is one of those lunatics who thinks LLMs are intelligent. His entire thing is peddling that shit.

    LLMs being “search engines” is also a really popular misconception.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I didn't know the guy, I was just addressing the general point of using AI in medicine tbh 🤷‍♀️

    You're completely correct that LLMs are not search engines, of course

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    So then I guess you shouldn't have lead with:

    > but having a giant ass search engine

    Say what you mean and mean what you say or you're just spouting shit that no one will listen to.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    What's with all these brand new accounts lately that seem to have been created for the sole purpose of defending AI.

    GTFO you Altman propaganda bot.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Lemmy has a massive problem with bot accounts, astroturfing, and ban evasion that no one really wants to admit. Right wing propaganda is also becoming much more common on the fediverse. As much as people like to bash other social media and say lemmy / the fediverse is immune to this stuff, it really isn't. Being smaller just means it takes longer to spread here, but it definitely has started.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah this site has been positively overrun by pro-AI commenters. And it's a recent phenomenon.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe people are using it 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Hmmm a 1 day-old account rushing in to defend inappropriate LLM use 🤔

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  • [+] -19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You can only get banned for an opinion so much before moving on to the next one 🤷‍♂️.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Nice, ban evasion as well 👍🏻

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  • [+] -15 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Yup. Account age is an utterly pointless and a shitty evaluation tool. Unless you're just looking to attach a person rather than the idea 🤷‍♂️. Just creates little shitty echo chambers to attach yourself to.

    And fedverse makes it literally impossible to stop. Tech bros really not thinking through how people think, act, and build trust.

    Did it feel good reporting me? Do you feel effective?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If LLMs didn't hallucinate I'd fully agree with you

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  • [+] -21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Which is why your doctor should use it as a tool and validate the results. You know, do their job.

    Y'all are just fucking binary. How do you think medical and community members work now? They use a shitty search engine or portal to look up material, and yes, some of it will be garbage they need to wade through.

    But God forbid they have a tool that puts that information into a cited overview to supplement a tricky diagnosis. The prejudice and fake workflows that y'all invent is crazy. Looking for little edge cases everywhere catching the AI in a mistake

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I have no problem with them using search engines. They can vet and choose answers from reliable sources. From an LLM, it's anybody's guess if anything it pulled up is correct, and a less experienced doctor could be misled into making a dangerous mistake.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    When was the last time you used them? They can provide sources for pretty much everything they say and that source usually also contains said thing too.

    But even if not, even back 2 years ago, it was already good because you had a second look, a different perspective. A medical professional can either know little about everything or much about next to nothing. It should be really obvious how such a tool can help, even if it can not reach expert level.

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  • [+] -18 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Riiiiiiiiiight, LLMs don't cite sources and the portals written in the 90s for journals solve all of that.

    It's so amazing to watch you all invent these crazy scenarios, where you've chosen the absolute lowest bar you can find. As if some layman who has no clue how to use this tool is working on some free Claude account because you read about one shitty doctor or lawyer fucking up. It's honestly sad seeing these hoops to jump through.

    Professional tools, run by some of the most educated type a professionals in the planet minimize and reduce these risks by providing defaults and interfaces along with education.

    FFS they can (and will) kill you accidentally with far more simple shit that can't be mostly mitigated away. But yeah, because LLMs can be used poorly by morons it's worthless 🙄.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    As if some layman who has no clue how to use this tool is working on some free Claude account because you read about one shitty doctor or lawyer fucking up

    Do you know what happens when doctors fuck up?

    Like, I don't think this is the slam dunk reply that you think it is.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Using AI as a tool to find additional information? Sure, could be doable maybe.

    Asking sycophantic ”you’re absolutely correct” machines for second opinion? Absolutely not!

    Hoffman is advocating for the latter.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    The thing is the AIs that doctors are using aren't just the commercially available chatgpt or Gemini, they are specialized, tuned for accuracy and only trained on medical articles.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Imagine believing that they'll use general purpose free chatgpt. Just amazing these scenarios you all invent. I can't tell if it's just straight blind prejudice or you all really don't understand how it can integrate into tooling with very specific models.

    Just wild what people have cooked up in their mental model.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    They literally do. ChatGPT and Copilot. I work medical field adjacent, and these are what the providers use. Not cooked up in a mental model, witnessed directly.

    Take note that I'm only replying to refute your ignorance. I'm not going to engage with whatever AI generated ragebait vitriol you spew at me.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I ask LLMs medical questions almost daily and it gets it wrong most of the time. Do I have data or a study to back this claim up, no, but if you check the sources (Perplexity) you can just see the wrong interpretation of studies or disreputable web content sources (county fair science projects, Reddit, quack websites)

    It’s sometimes useful for general knowledge if you really don’t care that it might be wrong, but I’m not sure when this would be the case with medical advice

    The confidence with which LLMs misstate facts and my inability to know which of my healthcare workers is blindly trusting of these tools makes it dangerous

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Using their institutional knowledge, and critical thinking to wade through unrelated search results is not the same as asking a sycophantic chat bot that's programmed to always answer with complete confidence whether it's right or wrong

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I absolutely love that you all think that there are only these models designed to make you like the product. It's like watching Republicans scream to the world how ignorant you are. Everything is a chatbot to you all 😂

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I love that you keep saying that with no proof to back up a claim. Which chatbot do you use then? And if you don't say exactly which chatbot you use everyone will know you're a stupid liar.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago*

    Microsoft MAI-DxO is currently winning in our metrics but not widely available. At this point in time it is the obvious winner although not in GA. DxGPT second followed by path AI and AI doc. All these have completed FDA requirements, been studied, and enjoyed a success rate near our better then doctors when used parallel in diagnosis.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    This takes away from slowing down to learn core medical skills. Hospitals and clinics will have some bean counter enforce it's use for speed and to meet quotas but ignore that sometimes important problems just require time with a patient.

    My assumption is that these tools won't be used for the doctors benefit but for administration to push expectations that will result in a worse level of care between a patient and doctor. They already have and will continue to become mandatory and that's a problem if it pushes away good doctors who don't need them.

    The best work I've seen anywhere is from people who know their job so well, they don't have to look something up. They troubleshoot it without sitting at a computer or opening their phone, but drawing on experience they gained because they put in the time to understand instead of something shitting it into their lap.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Y’all will screech but having a giant ass search engine that is able to process patient data in context is incredibly useful.

    Exsqueeze me, but if my doctor wants to search for giant asses, then he needs to do it on his own time.

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