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Greece to ban anonymity on social media (www.euractiv.com)
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[–] 65 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

So, lemmy would be illegal under this vision?

an EU-wide approach may be more practical to implement

If you want to do this, do it to yourself. Keep me out of it.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Greece would essentially have to wall themselves off from every country that doesn't...

    So if an instance was hosted in Greece, and this actually happens...

    Yeah, it would effect that instance.

    It seems like you just quoted a tiny bit of the sentence so it would seem like a possibility tho...

    Critics highlight the technical complexity of the issue and suggest that an EU-wide approach may be more practical to implement. Meanwhile, the EU governments which consider such a measure will also need to address potential freedom of speech concerns – as digital rights campaigners have warned for years.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I quoted it because I have a problem with it and it wasn't the main thing. Who in their right mind would even suggest this?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Because as a complete thought it clearly means:

    For X to work we'd have to d Y, which has even less chances of happening.

    And you picked out "we'd have to do Y" and presented that like it's a plan anyone is proposing and not an example of how impossible it would be...

    But I don't think any of that is going to help

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Greece would essentially have to wall themselves off from every country that doesn’t

    This is why the EU usually moves in packs, be it on Ukraine, emissions or anything else. Basically, it will take a few more countries to join in to see a real effect.

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  • [+] -21 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Lemmy would not be illegal. Instead, Lemmy would be required to verify that each account belongs to a real person. Essentially, it's a way to make bots and astroturfing illegal.

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  • [–] 69 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't be here if it asked for my id.

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  • [+] -46 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Me neither, probably. But it's still a good idea in principle. The spread of malicious misinformation and propaganda has already led to millions of deaths. If we have to give up some anonymous shitposting to curb these excesses, it's worth it.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    The spread of malicious misinformation and propaganda has already led to millions of deaths.

    Malicious misinformation and propaganda is constantly spread without any sort of anonymity, so I can't see how this is relevant.

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  • [+] -23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Chemotherapy does not cure all forms of cancer, therefore chemotherapy is not relevant to cancer treatment.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Home searches would catch some criminals, therefore a blanket search warrant is relevant to stopping crime.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That’s a little too close to reality for comfort. 😟

    We have several governments saying that being able to read some people’s encrypted messages would catch some criminals, therefore we need to be able to read everyone’s encrypted messages.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Literally 2 days ago I was arguing with family about privacy online and I was the only person in car that gave a fuck about it. The 3 other family members were totally ok with being spied on online from start to finish and have this information used against because they had "nothing to hide" and that caring about it would not change anything in their personal lives anyway and that we don't live in a country that actively cracks down on people against certain things. No example or angle I brought up would change their mind. This was the moment I gave up on those family members in my head. Ugh...

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Malicious misinformation gets spread by plenty of elected officials and journalists every day. You don't have to be anonymous to do that. Hell pretty much the entire US government does it.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    The whole point of anonymity is that people can say whatever they want publicly without it affecting their real life.

    So you can be against whatever war or business practices without the government or your boss bothering you. Now they want to stifle dissent by putting your face to every opinion you have online. They want to card you for being against the war.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The proposal isn't to ban pseudonyms.

    Greece isn't in any war that I am aware of.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Since you like the idea so much, you go first. What’s your real name, “friend”? Put your money where your mouth is. Let’s see how safe you feel giving out that information. C’mon, old buddy old pal. What’s the harm, right? Out with it. Triple dog dare ya, bud. We’re waiting. Oh, and until you tell us, maybe can it otherwise.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It seems you don't understand the idea, which wouldn't be that people would be forced to disclose their identity on social media. Instead, social media would be required to check that users are who they say they are.

    Imagine Coca-Cola puts out an ad saying Pepsi instantly makes your balls explode, or that the Daily Mail publishes an op-ed from a Labour insider who is actually an LLM prompted by a GRU operative. It is this type of "free speech" that currently runs rampant on social media, and would be curtailed under this type of proposal.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Have you messaged the admins of every lemmy instance lemmy.world is federated with to tell them your Name, Date of Birth, Street Address, etc?

    If not, why not? That's what you want for others?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    It seems you don't understand the idea, which wouldn't be that people would be forced to disclose their identity on social media. Instead, social media would be required to check that users are who they say they are.

    that makes no sense whatsoever. you are saying your name is "Hapankaali". do you have any documents proving that you are actually "Hapankaali"? if you don't, how are you planning to prove you are who you claim to be?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It's impossible to verify humanity without verifying identity. Just like all attemps to verify age this will result in vast databases of all our personal data that will be abused, sold, leaked, and hacked.

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