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What is your philosophy of upgrading to the 13 pro? (frame.work)
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I got my 13 a few months ago and it kind of sucks if I waited I could have gotten the 13 pro instead. However I won't throw it all away or sell it to buy the pro even though I could. I'm planning on upgrading one part a year (or whenever they break), starting with the keyboard cover, to get to the pro. What are your plans?

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[–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

They've funded DHH, a British Danish white supremacist, creator of ruby on rails and omarchy. They gave material support (hardware) to him and their argument was basically that it didn't go directly to him but to an organization he was a part of - they obscured this on the sponsorships page and idt omarchy's sponsorship was ever even added

Now it turns out they give money to a conference he made because he got banned from the original ruby on rails community for causing problems there

They couldn't even come out and say that they dont hold those views, threw a hissy fit on social media and then slightly adjusted their sponsorships page

https://lemmy.world/post/45911148

What they should have said:

  1. We dont hold those kinds of views
  2. Anyone who is intolerant of others is not welcome
  3. We will not support this person or their projects financially due to their controversial views
  4. We will be more careful about selecting sponsorships in the future

They didnt do any of those 4 (maybe the 4th?)

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This is bullshit internet gossip.

    Dude named Nirav Patel explained that his approach to making electronics is informed by his growing up in an immigrant family, which "had to be thrifty" (in one of their videos on their YT cca 2024). How likely is it that such a dude is a white supremacist? Or was he supposed to be a Hindutva supremacist?

    If he was a supremacist, how likely would he be advancing that agenda by retweeting a rice by DHH — a minor figure on the sidelines — sending him a laptop, and sponsoring a local DHH-affiliated Ruby event with relatively modest $20K?

    Much more probably, they randomly threw some money around free software and only later figured out who DHH is.

    He also clearly distanced himself personally from such views:

    To avoid disappointing anyone later who wants to ascribe beliefs to me, I am pro-immigrant and pro-LGBTQ.

    ...if this was not obvious from the start.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    He funded the projects of a person who holds those beliefs multiple times and has not denounced DHH's beliefs when questioned. Saying you are pro immigrant and pro lgbt is not a counter to working with and funding someone who wants those people gone.

    It doesnt matter if he isn't personally a white supremacist if he chooses to KNOWINGLY work with and FUND them over the concerns of others in the community. Big tent is stupid. If a nazi walks into a bar, announces theres a nazi, and you do not kick them out, that is a nazi bar. If they found out later that he was a white supremacist, the first thing they should have done was stop funding, apologize for funding him and not knowing about his views, say that they do not agree with those views and they are not welcome, and that they would be more careful in the future.

    We only got bits and pieces of that after the community complained. Giving a nazi money, then when it is found out saying "well, we have a bit tent ideology," then later after getting flak for it saying "well actually I'm pro- the things the nazi hates" is not very inspiring. A company that actually cares would admit the fault and fix it, not try to brush it under the rug.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago

    @jjagaimo @pseudo contagion ethics:

    We say some sorts of interaction with DHH is akin to approval of his ideology, this minimizes our ability to differentiate between degrees of material harm.

    It also means that we should say that anyone that buys a framework thus also supports DHH's ideology. Starting to be a lot of people who we probably normally wouldn't call "Nazi."

    It would incidentally also mean use of Linux in 2014 means approval of verbal abuse, see: Linux mailing list.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago

    not denounced [...] when questioned

    Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

    But this is the crux, right? That they refused the struggle sess, not that they've done anything particularly bad. Because materially:

    funded the [...] multiple times

    False. Once, and even that is is tenuous. The laptop was one of many not to support the recipients, but to ensure compatibility. During the 3 weeks that the Internet thought Omarchy was cool.

    chooses to KNOWINGLY work with and FUND them

    False. Funding had already happened by the time the issue was flagged, and there are no indications that any more money is going DHH's way.

    And moreover Anarcat, who originally raised the issue, soon agreed that Framework are in the clear:

    it matters, so much, that Framework did that research. for me this is the key difference between uncertainty about the politics of Framework (where the whole thing would have been dog whistlings) and due dilligence (where this is all a basically massive misunderstanding

    But that is not the remedy requested. Instead, they are invited to performative self-humiliation:

    concerns of others

    apologize for funding him

    admit the fault

    ...which they never did. And this makes some people angry. Because this is a power struggle where a small online clique is trying to assert its authority to gatekeep the in-group.

    So why don't you do all of us a favor, and redirect that struggle session shit to any of the AI companies, or the suppliers pivoting to cater to them, or the surveillance-tech, or Alex fucking Karp in particular — all of whom are materially making our world worse and are much closer to actual fascism — and away from an OK-ish little electronics manufacturer that is doing quite all right for the narrow purpose that they have?

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