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saved Europe from fascism

a fascist state fought a war against a competing fascist state. simply being on the side opposing Nazi Germany doesn't magically make your state a perfect divine utopia

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    none of that precludes fascism

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    just saying it doesn't make it true

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    everything inside the state. nothing outside the state. nothing against the state.

    that's what fascism is. none of what you described precludes fascism

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    I got my definition from Mussolini. where is your from?

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    the so-called private sector depends entirely on the state to enforce private property claims. the state issues corporate charters. the state "regulates" these corporations to ensure they benefit the state.

    eco's 14 characteristics are more like symptoms to diagnose fascism. the fascist ideology doesn't require any of them except point 4 and, to a degree, point 13. it just so happens that fascist regimes will often display the other characteristics. they are not inherent to the ideology.

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    i'd say that it becomes an empty accusation in the modern context, yea. like, duh. the modern state is fascist. but it's not useless to understand the characteristics of the systems that oppress us.

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    I didn't say anything about whether the ussr was socialist. I said the evidence you gave doesn't preclude the ussr from being fascist

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    right. and while the ussr may have been socialist (i honestly don't want to take a position on that), the features of the society that you cited are not explicitly socialist. you mostly cited the existence of institutions within the state and some statistics about the standard of living. those could appear in a fascist society, as well.

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