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Framework founder says that ‘personal computing as we know it is dead’ — vows to keep building ‘computers that you can own at the deepest level’ (www.tomshardware.com)
submitted 4 months ago by [M] to c/hardware@lemmy.world
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You will own nothing and be happy about it.

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[–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Oh, then I must have imagined the Mac I used years back with Windows just a false memory imprint I suppose. I was not saying that all of the above is a deal braker for everyone but it is definitely a deal breaker for some. Certainly if you want to use Linux, the Neo is simply not an option at all. Most Windows laptops are though and especially Framework laptops are very much so.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The fact that Apple doesn't really want you to use their stuff with other systems doesn't mean that you absolutely cannot do so. I don't know what gave you that absurd idea.

    And even the relatively generic PC computers we have nowadays are designed to be quite hostile to anything that isn't Windows, even though we manage to work around it in most cases.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I wrote "Strictly limited to MacOS, no Linux no nothing."

    To which you responded "Which, in the history of computing devices, certainly is nothing new. Apple, and others, has been doing this pretty much forever."

    So unless you did not articulate yourself clearly, that means exactly that you absolutely cannot do so. Which was false in the past. But for the Apple Neo it is largely true, unless you are talking about developing a solution yourself. There is nothing that works on it other than operating systems from Apple. If I am mistaken, please tell me which alternative OS does work on it.

    On the other side, I have a Framework Desktop, simply because that was the only option for buying the Max 395+ on an ITX board, for my custom fanles PC project. I had zero problems installing off the mill Linux distros on it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I wouldn't buy a Mac to install Linux on it for a number of reasons, but I assumed someone somewhere had tried to install Linux on Apple silicon and I was correct. Apparently, asahi works on it: https://www.linuxnest.com/how-to-install-linux-on-a-macbook-m1-m2-m3-intel-the-complete-2025-guide/

    It sounds like limited support, and I honestly have no idea why someone would do this. I think a better path to even alternative silicon Linux (non-x86 stuff) would be buying some type of ARM.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    You can run Linux just fine on apple SOCs, multiple independent projects managed to run Linux on IPhones before. You do have to rewrite the device tree and all drivers, but that's the case for all new hardware. People have done it before for the ARM chips in the apple silicons. (up to the M2 series at least)

    The only real question is if the bootloader is unlockable or if the neo needs to be jailbroken like its the case with most iphones.

    Its definetly not a good choice for Linux and it will take a few years even with the best case scenario, but its possible nonetheless.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    I am aware of Asahi Linux (M1&M2). I am not aware of the other projects. Can you provide some links to those that provide a functional and usable OS for iPhone hardware. Which SOCs are they for?

    The difference to other hardware, as far as I understand is that Apple offers very little documentation to third parties. Which is the reason why Asahi Linux is still stuck on M2 when there is already the M5 out. If it were so trivial, why don't we have Asahi Linux for at least M3? It has been around for 3 years already.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Oh man. I began using Linux a little over a year ago by installing Ubuntu (then switching to Mint) on old Macs--a 2011 iMac and a 2015 MacBook Pro. The MacBook had a logic board failure and I decided to grab a super cheap Lenovo IdeaPad from Costco a few months back. Getting a bootable USB for the first Mac was really the only challenge I ever had, otherwise the installs were extremely straightforward (especially when I went to Mint). But for the IdeaPad (which has a CoPilot key on the keyboard and was "optimized for Windows 11"), while there weren't any real gymnastics involved, the process of removing Windows 11 took substantially longer than MacOS and I got the feeling that it was all the "AI" nonsense trying to avoid being deleted. It was clear that this laptop did NOT want something other than Windows on it.

    Of course I was successful. And I managed to remap that Copilot key to bring up the Linux Mint menu when I hit it, as an extra layer of dominance.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    x86 iMacs, yes. I was not talking about them. I was talking about Apple Silicon. I am not sure what makes removing Windows 11 so difficult, can't you simply install over it, the disk is being formatted before the installation anyway. And once Windows 11 is gone so is copilot.

    That said, your mileage with laptops varies, regarding hardware support. Often touchpad support or whatever is making some fuss.

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