β² 256 βΌ Resident Evil Requiem Denuvo DRM Fully Cracked, Making It the First 2026 Game to Have Its Copy Protection Bypassed (www.ign.com) submitted 4 months ago by alessandro@lemmy.ca to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 55 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Retail4068@lemmy.world -53 points 4 months ago (5 children) So much effort to steal a good game π€£ permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 40 points 4 months ago (2 children) βIf buying isnβt owning, piracy isnβt stealingβ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] oyzmo@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago true! permalink fedilink source parent [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -32 points 4 months ago (2 children) It's such a dumb line, own up to stealing like a badass instead of pussyfooting around the term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 12 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Donβt blame me because you donβt understand the definition of the word. Try reading the article and actually learning something, instead of deflecting from your ignorance, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -17 points 4 months ago* (2 children) When you don't pay for rent is it stealing? When you rent something and take it over, is it stealing? Highlighting the problems with renting something (that it can be taken away) doesn't change that. And to claim you're free to steal anything you rent because it's not really stealing doesn't give any merit, it just makes you look like a bitch. You can assume all closed source software is a rental because you have no idea when it will stop working. The idea that you can reverse engineer it while admirable isn't realistic for 99% of the population, if it were then there wouldn't be a reason to have it be closed source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) we get it: you don't understand what the word "stealing" means, and making false accusations against me and slinging childish insults won't distract from the fact that what you're saying is nonsense, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you want to get into a debate of copying vs stealing then go ahead but it has nothing to do with the line about "it's not stealing if you were renting it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) you're the one who wants to debate anything, and you're the one who brought up "renting" anything's when I never mentioned that. once again, demonstrating how you have no clue what you're talking about - and, obviously, no clue what i'm talking about, lol troll on, troll... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) Your example was paying rent and the quote is about buying. You do know that there's a difference, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you read the TOS then you'd see you're renting the game. Steam can revoke your access. Hence how it's not owned, you're paying for a period of use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bless@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child) It says purchase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [β] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago way to miss the point permalink fedilink source parent [β] Feyd@programming.dev 29 points 4 months ago I don't pirate games, but I also don't buy games I otherwise would if they have denuvo. Always online DRM punishes paying customers and frustrates game preservation. So I'll cheer every time a Denuvo game gets cracked. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 months ago (1 child) Denuvo notably impacts both the performance and long term preservation of games. I imagine many people might buy a game, then download the cracked version without denuvo just for the performance gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] user1738@europe.pub 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) And also independence from Steam (or any other that also forces the launcher from it and makes you wait for the mandatory updates to only then be able to play) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) You could disable automatic updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago Unfortunately this doesn't stop the game from requiring an update. Automatic or not, if an update gets pushed, you don't get to choose to stay on the older version without putting yourself in offline mode. Denuvo is an always-online DRM. It will expire its session and prevent play unless re-authenticated. It's wild to me how the view around this has shifted. Back in 2013, this is how Microsoft wanted to design an entire gaming ecosystem. They got backlash, but it turned out they were just too up front about it. Instead we've had a decade of games that have slipped this requirement in through DRM and anti-cheat measures. permalink fedilink source parent [β] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago Or the fact you get better game performance because Denuvo is a poorly optmize piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Smaile@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago your right, we should've been putting that effort into a bad game instead π permalink fedilink source parent
[β] homes@piefed.world 40 points 4 months ago (2 children) βIf buying isnβt owning, piracy isnβt stealingβ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] oyzmo@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago true! permalink fedilink source parent [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -32 points 4 months ago (2 children) It's such a dumb line, own up to stealing like a badass instead of pussyfooting around the term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 12 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Donβt blame me because you donβt understand the definition of the word. Try reading the article and actually learning something, instead of deflecting from your ignorance, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -17 points 4 months ago* (2 children) When you don't pay for rent is it stealing? When you rent something and take it over, is it stealing? Highlighting the problems with renting something (that it can be taken away) doesn't change that. And to claim you're free to steal anything you rent because it's not really stealing doesn't give any merit, it just makes you look like a bitch. You can assume all closed source software is a rental because you have no idea when it will stop working. The idea that you can reverse engineer it while admirable isn't realistic for 99% of the population, if it were then there wouldn't be a reason to have it be closed source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) we get it: you don't understand what the word "stealing" means, and making false accusations against me and slinging childish insults won't distract from the fact that what you're saying is nonsense, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you want to get into a debate of copying vs stealing then go ahead but it has nothing to do with the line about "it's not stealing if you were renting it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) you're the one who wants to debate anything, and you're the one who brought up "renting" anything's when I never mentioned that. once again, demonstrating how you have no clue what you're talking about - and, obviously, no clue what i'm talking about, lol troll on, troll... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) Your example was paying rent and the quote is about buying. You do know that there's a difference, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you read the TOS then you'd see you're renting the game. Steam can revoke your access. Hence how it's not owned, you're paying for a period of use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bless@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child) It says purchase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [β] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago way to miss the point permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -32 points 4 months ago (2 children) It's such a dumb line, own up to stealing like a badass instead of pussyfooting around the term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 12 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Donβt blame me because you donβt understand the definition of the word. Try reading the article and actually learning something, instead of deflecting from your ignorance, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -17 points 4 months ago* (2 children) When you don't pay for rent is it stealing? When you rent something and take it over, is it stealing? Highlighting the problems with renting something (that it can be taken away) doesn't change that. And to claim you're free to steal anything you rent because it's not really stealing doesn't give any merit, it just makes you look like a bitch. You can assume all closed source software is a rental because you have no idea when it will stop working. The idea that you can reverse engineer it while admirable isn't realistic for 99% of the population, if it were then there wouldn't be a reason to have it be closed source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) we get it: you don't understand what the word "stealing" means, and making false accusations against me and slinging childish insults won't distract from the fact that what you're saying is nonsense, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you want to get into a debate of copying vs stealing then go ahead but it has nothing to do with the line about "it's not stealing if you were renting it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) you're the one who wants to debate anything, and you're the one who brought up "renting" anything's when I never mentioned that. once again, demonstrating how you have no clue what you're talking about - and, obviously, no clue what i'm talking about, lol troll on, troll... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) Your example was paying rent and the quote is about buying. You do know that there's a difference, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you read the TOS then you'd see you're renting the game. Steam can revoke your access. Hence how it's not owned, you're paying for a period of use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bless@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child) It says purchase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [β] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago way to miss the point permalink fedilink source parent
[β] homes@piefed.world 12 points 4 months ago* (1 child) Donβt blame me because you donβt understand the definition of the word. Try reading the article and actually learning something, instead of deflecting from your ignorance, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -17 points 4 months ago* (2 children) When you don't pay for rent is it stealing? When you rent something and take it over, is it stealing? Highlighting the problems with renting something (that it can be taken away) doesn't change that. And to claim you're free to steal anything you rent because it's not really stealing doesn't give any merit, it just makes you look like a bitch. You can assume all closed source software is a rental because you have no idea when it will stop working. The idea that you can reverse engineer it while admirable isn't realistic for 99% of the population, if it were then there wouldn't be a reason to have it be closed source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) we get it: you don't understand what the word "stealing" means, and making false accusations against me and slinging childish insults won't distract from the fact that what you're saying is nonsense, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you want to get into a debate of copying vs stealing then go ahead but it has nothing to do with the line about "it's not stealing if you were renting it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) you're the one who wants to debate anything, and you're the one who brought up "renting" anything's when I never mentioned that. once again, demonstrating how you have no clue what you're talking about - and, obviously, no clue what i'm talking about, lol troll on, troll... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) Your example was paying rent and the quote is about buying. You do know that there's a difference, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you read the TOS then you'd see you're renting the game. Steam can revoke your access. Hence how it's not owned, you're paying for a period of use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bless@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child) It says purchase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -17 points 4 months ago* (2 children) When you don't pay for rent is it stealing? When you rent something and take it over, is it stealing? Highlighting the problems with renting something (that it can be taken away) doesn't change that. And to claim you're free to steal anything you rent because it's not really stealing doesn't give any merit, it just makes you look like a bitch. You can assume all closed source software is a rental because you have no idea when it will stop working. The idea that you can reverse engineer it while admirable isn't realistic for 99% of the population, if it were then there wouldn't be a reason to have it be closed source. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) we get it: you don't understand what the word "stealing" means, and making false accusations against me and slinging childish insults won't distract from the fact that what you're saying is nonsense, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you want to get into a debate of copying vs stealing then go ahead but it has nothing to do with the line about "it's not stealing if you were renting it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) you're the one who wants to debate anything, and you're the one who brought up "renting" anything's when I never mentioned that. once again, demonstrating how you have no clue what you're talking about - and, obviously, no clue what i'm talking about, lol troll on, troll... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) Your example was paying rent and the quote is about buying. You do know that there's a difference, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you read the TOS then you'd see you're renting the game. Steam can revoke your access. Hence how it's not owned, you're paying for a period of use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bless@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child) It says purchase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] homes@piefed.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) we get it: you don't understand what the word "stealing" means, and making false accusations against me and slinging childish insults won't distract from the fact that what you're saying is nonsense, lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you want to get into a debate of copying vs stealing then go ahead but it has nothing to do with the line about "it's not stealing if you were renting it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) you're the one who wants to debate anything, and you're the one who brought up "renting" anything's when I never mentioned that. once again, demonstrating how you have no clue what you're talking about - and, obviously, no clue what i'm talking about, lol troll on, troll... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you want to get into a debate of copying vs stealing then go ahead but it has nothing to do with the line about "it's not stealing if you were renting it" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) you're the one who wants to debate anything, and you're the one who brought up "renting" anything's when I never mentioned that. once again, demonstrating how you have no clue what you're talking about - and, obviously, no clue what i'm talking about, lol troll on, troll... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 child) you're the one who wants to debate anything, and you're the one who brought up "renting" anything's when I never mentioned that. once again, demonstrating how you have no clue what you're talking about - and, obviously, no clue what i'm talking about, lol troll on, troll... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -10 points 4 months ago (1 child) Scroll up, we're talking about a game on Steam. That's a rental. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] homes@piefed.world 10 points 4 months ago lmao, we get it. you don't know what you're talking about. you don't need to keep trying to convince us. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) Your example was paying rent and the quote is about buying. You do know that there's a difference, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you read the TOS then you'd see you're renting the game. Steam can revoke your access. Hence how it's not owned, you're paying for a period of use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bless@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child) It says purchase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -11 points 4 months ago (1 child) If you read the TOS then you'd see you're renting the game. Steam can revoke your access. Hence how it's not owned, you're paying for a period of use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bless@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child) It says purchase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] bless@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago* (1 child) It says purchase. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) "grants a license" not "grants ownership" You're renting it until Steam decides to revoke it. The article talks about these not being owning but you have to know going into it that you're not buying the product, you're buying a seat to use the product. That's renting. You're paying for access. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children) Steam changed that after people complained, rightfully and a lot. Also, them granting a "license" is part of the problem. There's no reason for them to not sell you your own copy of the game other than to benefit shitty game devs. It honestly never ceases to amaze me how eager some people are to get fucked over by corporations. Why are you even defending this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) everything steam did for consumer protection is less about "people complained" and more about "EU courts don't fuck with that shit". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Steam store pages were misleading for well over a decade. EU courts didn't give a shit for a long time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pyre@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago that's irrelevant. they point is change came when scrutiny began. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Defending what? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] potustheplant@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) Shitty business practices that actively fuck over consumers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Where have I defended that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) gestures wildly all around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 months ago I said I was pro stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Feyd@programming.dev 29 points 4 months ago I don't pirate games, but I also don't buy games I otherwise would if they have denuvo. Always online DRM punishes paying customers and frustrates game preservation. So I'll cheer every time a Denuvo game gets cracked. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 months ago (1 child) Denuvo notably impacts both the performance and long term preservation of games. I imagine many people might buy a game, then download the cracked version without denuvo just for the performance gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] user1738@europe.pub 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) And also independence from Steam (or any other that also forces the launcher from it and makes you wait for the mandatory updates to only then be able to play) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) You could disable automatic updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago Unfortunately this doesn't stop the game from requiring an update. Automatic or not, if an update gets pushed, you don't get to choose to stay on the older version without putting yourself in offline mode. Denuvo is an always-online DRM. It will expire its session and prevent play unless re-authenticated. It's wild to me how the view around this has shifted. Back in 2013, this is how Microsoft wanted to design an entire gaming ecosystem. They got backlash, but it turned out they were just too up front about it. Instead we've had a decade of games that have slipped this requirement in through DRM and anti-cheat measures. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] user1738@europe.pub 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) And also independence from Steam (or any other that also forces the launcher from it and makes you wait for the mandatory updates to only then be able to play) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) You could disable automatic updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago Unfortunately this doesn't stop the game from requiring an update. Automatic or not, if an update gets pushed, you don't get to choose to stay on the older version without putting yourself in offline mode. Denuvo is an always-online DRM. It will expire its session and prevent play unless re-authenticated. It's wild to me how the view around this has shifted. Back in 2013, this is how Microsoft wanted to design an entire gaming ecosystem. They got backlash, but it turned out they were just too up front about it. Instead we've had a decade of games that have slipped this requirement in through DRM and anti-cheat measures. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) You could disable automatic updates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago Unfortunately this doesn't stop the game from requiring an update. Automatic or not, if an update gets pushed, you don't get to choose to stay on the older version without putting yourself in offline mode. Denuvo is an always-online DRM. It will expire its session and prevent play unless re-authenticated. It's wild to me how the view around this has shifted. Back in 2013, this is how Microsoft wanted to design an entire gaming ecosystem. They got backlash, but it turned out they were just too up front about it. Instead we've had a decade of games that have slipped this requirement in through DRM and anti-cheat measures. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago Unfortunately this doesn't stop the game from requiring an update. Automatic or not, if an update gets pushed, you don't get to choose to stay on the older version without putting yourself in offline mode. Denuvo is an always-online DRM. It will expire its session and prevent play unless re-authenticated. It's wild to me how the view around this has shifted. Back in 2013, this is how Microsoft wanted to design an entire gaming ecosystem. They got backlash, but it turned out they were just too up front about it. Instead we've had a decade of games that have slipped this requirement in through DRM and anti-cheat measures. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago Or the fact you get better game performance because Denuvo is a poorly optmize piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Smaile@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago your right, we should've been putting that effort into a bad game instead π permalink fedilink source parent