▲ 629 ▼ lets stop thinking guys (feddit.nl) submitted 4 months ago by blinfabian@feddit.nl to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 525 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (3 children) Field better candidate next time instead of a genocide accomplice. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) "we can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way" type vibe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jay101@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 child) There was only one way and it was fronting good candidate like Bernie or AoC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] alzjim@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) The DNC will do everything in its power to ensure change can never happen from the voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pfried@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago How do you know that? To this point, they have only run the winner of the primary in the general election. In 2024, they ran the winner of the primary, but when he dropped out, they ran his running mate instead. What did you expect them to do? If you want change to happen, you need to convince the voters. They control who the Democratic Party runs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago You definitely got Genocide voting for Kamala. That's for sure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (6 children) vote in the primaries instead of complaining that the candidates suck. you're only allowed to complain that they suck if you didn't vote for them in the primaries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago (1 child) That argument works for literally every other election except 2024 because Bidens pride got in the way and they shuffled the human equivalent of a spare tire forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -13 points 4 months ago (2 children) don't care about the past. I'm talking now, go vote in the primaries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) August is a long way off for some of us. Some states don't hold them until September. There's a lot of campaigning to witness in the meantime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Better early than late. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) Dude I'm in SoCal we have other problems with our primaries. Here's hoping that dipshit sheriff gets chucked in a cell and is removed from the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago I'm just telling people to participate in them. you're good if involved in that permalink fedilink source parent [–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago Yes, and literally nobody voted for kamala in the Primaries. And yet she was the candidate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ah yes. The democratic party enthusiastically supported the progressive candidate for mayor in New York. Right? Didn’t try to run an “independent” splitter candidate to torpedo their own candidate. Right? Didn’t run Andrew “Sex Crimes” Cuomo against the actual democratic nominee? Right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I mean he won the primary, was the democratic candidate and then won the election. It's proof that the other comment or was exactly right, you need to go out and vote in the primaries for good candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (2 children) you're not wrong, but you can't not participate and then complain about the candidates. you hate AIPAC? your vote really matters in the primaries. this is the only way we can get rid of AIPAC's influence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) "you can’t not participate and then complain about the candidates." I don't participate in republican primaries. I complain about their candidates. I bet only a handful of people participate in green primaries but I've seen plenty of complaints about their candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) I am just saying that this is a crucial moment, and registering and voting in primaries will have much more weight to it, than going on parades every 6 months chanting "No Kings". I get how much the dems suck, they are soulless ghouls, and are as much at fault for the US becoming a fascist nightmare as the conservatives. but voting out AIPAC influence is probably the most consequential thing we can do right now. And if a tiny fraction of people concerned about this actually go and vote in primaries we can actually have an effect, as only a tiny minority votes in those. Also, not sure if you can or it depends on the state, but if you can register and vote in other parties primaries, please do so, I'm 100% sure conservatives without AIPAC will be a much better opposition. they are still fascists cunts, but at least we wont have to worry about being on the beck and call of Netanyahu. Also, given that Jill Stein was arrested for beating a cop in a Gaza protest (the news ignored it), I doubt they have an AIPAC problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) but if i vote for someone who is bad, and they win, that's bad. dr oz ran against dave mccormick for the primary, and dave lost. fetterman beat oz in the general. all three are in the federal government now. that's bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) don't vote for someone who's bad then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Strawman. I vote in every election. But I don't hold it against those who don't. They correctly see the two party system as completely uninterested in representing them and delivering any material benefit to voters. It's up to Democrats to earn votes. They aren't owed votes. And if they keep fucking around in primaries (if they even have primaries — cf. Kamala), then they can expect third party candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago good. I'm not disagreeing with you. fuck the Dems, but pressuring them by favoring progressives in primaries (not only for presidential candidates) is the best change we got to get out of this mess. and again, fuck them for being fascist lite, permalink fedilink source parent [–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) The democrats havent held free or fair primaries since Obama won them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) not talking presidential, in talking all primaries, from local levels, participate now or don't complain afterwards permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Lol. Local progressives won two seats on city council. Instead of working with them (very blue city), the city council stonewalled them. Then dumped millions of dollars into city council races. Didn't matter how many doors they knocked after that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago it's working then, keep doing it. purge all those cunts out. until soon, it'll be the progressives stonewalling corporate bought goons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Do the Democrats not control the rest of Democratic primaries too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) not sure if they will still pull their superdelegate bullshit on the presidential ballot, but for all other position? they do run them. And even small positions are important, from local to federal level, no one who accepts AIPAC should be a candidate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where in the next election cycle they dumped millions into conservative dems and won the elections back permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago so? those millions are useless if leftists vote in the primaries. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You mean, if they voted against them in the primaries? permalink fedilink source parent [+] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) "we can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way" type vibe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jay101@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 child) There was only one way and it was fronting good candidate like Bernie or AoC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] alzjim@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) The DNC will do everything in its power to ensure change can never happen from the voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pfried@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago How do you know that? To this point, they have only run the winner of the primary in the general election. In 2024, they ran the winner of the primary, but when he dropped out, they ran his running mate instead. What did you expect them to do? If you want change to happen, you need to convince the voters. They control who the Democratic Party runs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 child) There was only one way and it was fronting good candidate like Bernie or AoC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] alzjim@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) The DNC will do everything in its power to ensure change can never happen from the voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pfried@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago How do you know that? To this point, they have only run the winner of the primary in the general election. In 2024, they ran the winner of the primary, but when he dropped out, they ran his running mate instead. What did you expect them to do? If you want change to happen, you need to convince the voters. They control who the Democratic Party runs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alzjim@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 child) The DNC will do everything in its power to ensure change can never happen from the voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pfried@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago How do you know that? To this point, they have only run the winner of the primary in the general election. In 2024, they ran the winner of the primary, but when he dropped out, they ran his running mate instead. What did you expect them to do? If you want change to happen, you need to convince the voters. They control who the Democratic Party runs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pfried@reddthat.com 1 point 4 months ago How do you know that? To this point, they have only run the winner of the primary in the general election. In 2024, they ran the winner of the primary, but when he dropped out, they ran his running mate instead. What did you expect them to do? If you want change to happen, you need to convince the voters. They control who the Democratic Party runs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago You definitely got Genocide voting for Kamala. That's for sure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (6 children) vote in the primaries instead of complaining that the candidates suck. you're only allowed to complain that they suck if you didn't vote for them in the primaries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago (1 child) That argument works for literally every other election except 2024 because Bidens pride got in the way and they shuffled the human equivalent of a spare tire forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -13 points 4 months ago (2 children) don't care about the past. I'm talking now, go vote in the primaries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) August is a long way off for some of us. Some states don't hold them until September. There's a lot of campaigning to witness in the meantime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Better early than late. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) Dude I'm in SoCal we have other problems with our primaries. Here's hoping that dipshit sheriff gets chucked in a cell and is removed from the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago I'm just telling people to participate in them. you're good if involved in that permalink fedilink source parent [–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago Yes, and literally nobody voted for kamala in the Primaries. And yet she was the candidate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ah yes. The democratic party enthusiastically supported the progressive candidate for mayor in New York. Right? Didn’t try to run an “independent” splitter candidate to torpedo their own candidate. Right? Didn’t run Andrew “Sex Crimes” Cuomo against the actual democratic nominee? Right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I mean he won the primary, was the democratic candidate and then won the election. It's proof that the other comment or was exactly right, you need to go out and vote in the primaries for good candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (2 children) you're not wrong, but you can't not participate and then complain about the candidates. you hate AIPAC? your vote really matters in the primaries. this is the only way we can get rid of AIPAC's influence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) "you can’t not participate and then complain about the candidates." I don't participate in republican primaries. I complain about their candidates. I bet only a handful of people participate in green primaries but I've seen plenty of complaints about their candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) I am just saying that this is a crucial moment, and registering and voting in primaries will have much more weight to it, than going on parades every 6 months chanting "No Kings". I get how much the dems suck, they are soulless ghouls, and are as much at fault for the US becoming a fascist nightmare as the conservatives. but voting out AIPAC influence is probably the most consequential thing we can do right now. And if a tiny fraction of people concerned about this actually go and vote in primaries we can actually have an effect, as only a tiny minority votes in those. Also, not sure if you can or it depends on the state, but if you can register and vote in other parties primaries, please do so, I'm 100% sure conservatives without AIPAC will be a much better opposition. they are still fascists cunts, but at least we wont have to worry about being on the beck and call of Netanyahu. Also, given that Jill Stein was arrested for beating a cop in a Gaza protest (the news ignored it), I doubt they have an AIPAC problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) but if i vote for someone who is bad, and they win, that's bad. dr oz ran against dave mccormick for the primary, and dave lost. fetterman beat oz in the general. all three are in the federal government now. that's bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) don't vote for someone who's bad then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Strawman. I vote in every election. But I don't hold it against those who don't. They correctly see the two party system as completely uninterested in representing them and delivering any material benefit to voters. It's up to Democrats to earn votes. They aren't owed votes. And if they keep fucking around in primaries (if they even have primaries — cf. Kamala), then they can expect third party candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago good. I'm not disagreeing with you. fuck the Dems, but pressuring them by favoring progressives in primaries (not only for presidential candidates) is the best change we got to get out of this mess. and again, fuck them for being fascist lite, permalink fedilink source parent [–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) The democrats havent held free or fair primaries since Obama won them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) not talking presidential, in talking all primaries, from local levels, participate now or don't complain afterwards permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Lol. Local progressives won two seats on city council. Instead of working with them (very blue city), the city council stonewalled them. Then dumped millions of dollars into city council races. Didn't matter how many doors they knocked after that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago it's working then, keep doing it. purge all those cunts out. until soon, it'll be the progressives stonewalling corporate bought goons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Do the Democrats not control the rest of Democratic primaries too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) not sure if they will still pull their superdelegate bullshit on the presidential ballot, but for all other position? they do run them. And even small positions are important, from local to federal level, no one who accepts AIPAC should be a candidate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where in the next election cycle they dumped millions into conservative dems and won the elections back permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago so? those millions are useless if leftists vote in the primaries. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You mean, if they voted against them in the primaries? permalink fedilink source parent [+] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago (1 child) That argument works for literally every other election except 2024 because Bidens pride got in the way and they shuffled the human equivalent of a spare tire forward. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -13 points 4 months ago (2 children) don't care about the past. I'm talking now, go vote in the primaries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) August is a long way off for some of us. Some states don't hold them until September. There's a lot of campaigning to witness in the meantime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Better early than late. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) Dude I'm in SoCal we have other problems with our primaries. Here's hoping that dipshit sheriff gets chucked in a cell and is removed from the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago I'm just telling people to participate in them. you're good if involved in that permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -13 points 4 months ago (2 children) don't care about the past. I'm talking now, go vote in the primaries permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) August is a long way off for some of us. Some states don't hold them until September. There's a lot of campaigning to witness in the meantime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Better early than late. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) Dude I'm in SoCal we have other problems with our primaries. Here's hoping that dipshit sheriff gets chucked in a cell and is removed from the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago I'm just telling people to participate in them. you're good if involved in that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 child) August is a long way off for some of us. Some states don't hold them until September. There's a lot of campaigning to witness in the meantime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Better early than late. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago Better early than late. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) Dude I'm in SoCal we have other problems with our primaries. Here's hoping that dipshit sheriff gets chucked in a cell and is removed from the ballot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago I'm just telling people to participate in them. you're good if involved in that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago I'm just telling people to participate in them. you're good if involved in that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago Yes, and literally nobody voted for kamala in the Primaries. And yet she was the candidate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children) Ah yes. The democratic party enthusiastically supported the progressive candidate for mayor in New York. Right? Didn’t try to run an “independent” splitter candidate to torpedo their own candidate. Right? Didn’t run Andrew “Sex Crimes” Cuomo against the actual democratic nominee? Right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I mean he won the primary, was the democratic candidate and then won the election. It's proof that the other comment or was exactly right, you need to go out and vote in the primaries for good candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (2 children) you're not wrong, but you can't not participate and then complain about the candidates. you hate AIPAC? your vote really matters in the primaries. this is the only way we can get rid of AIPAC's influence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) "you can’t not participate and then complain about the candidates." I don't participate in republican primaries. I complain about their candidates. I bet only a handful of people participate in green primaries but I've seen plenty of complaints about their candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) I am just saying that this is a crucial moment, and registering and voting in primaries will have much more weight to it, than going on parades every 6 months chanting "No Kings". I get how much the dems suck, they are soulless ghouls, and are as much at fault for the US becoming a fascist nightmare as the conservatives. but voting out AIPAC influence is probably the most consequential thing we can do right now. And if a tiny fraction of people concerned about this actually go and vote in primaries we can actually have an effect, as only a tiny minority votes in those. Also, not sure if you can or it depends on the state, but if you can register and vote in other parties primaries, please do so, I'm 100% sure conservatives without AIPAC will be a much better opposition. they are still fascists cunts, but at least we wont have to worry about being on the beck and call of Netanyahu. Also, given that Jill Stein was arrested for beating a cop in a Gaza protest (the news ignored it), I doubt they have an AIPAC problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) but if i vote for someone who is bad, and they win, that's bad. dr oz ran against dave mccormick for the primary, and dave lost. fetterman beat oz in the general. all three are in the federal government now. that's bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) don't vote for someone who's bad then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Strawman. I vote in every election. But I don't hold it against those who don't. They correctly see the two party system as completely uninterested in representing them and delivering any material benefit to voters. It's up to Democrats to earn votes. They aren't owed votes. And if they keep fucking around in primaries (if they even have primaries — cf. Kamala), then they can expect third party candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago good. I'm not disagreeing with you. fuck the Dems, but pressuring them by favoring progressives in primaries (not only for presidential candidates) is the best change we got to get out of this mess. and again, fuck them for being fascist lite, permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I mean he won the primary, was the democratic candidate and then won the election. It's proof that the other comment or was exactly right, you need to go out and vote in the primaries for good candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (2 children) you're not wrong, but you can't not participate and then complain about the candidates. you hate AIPAC? your vote really matters in the primaries. this is the only way we can get rid of AIPAC's influence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) "you can’t not participate and then complain about the candidates." I don't participate in republican primaries. I complain about their candidates. I bet only a handful of people participate in green primaries but I've seen plenty of complaints about their candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) I am just saying that this is a crucial moment, and registering and voting in primaries will have much more weight to it, than going on parades every 6 months chanting "No Kings". I get how much the dems suck, they are soulless ghouls, and are as much at fault for the US becoming a fascist nightmare as the conservatives. but voting out AIPAC influence is probably the most consequential thing we can do right now. And if a tiny fraction of people concerned about this actually go and vote in primaries we can actually have an effect, as only a tiny minority votes in those. Also, not sure if you can or it depends on the state, but if you can register and vote in other parties primaries, please do so, I'm 100% sure conservatives without AIPAC will be a much better opposition. they are still fascists cunts, but at least we wont have to worry about being on the beck and call of Netanyahu. Also, given that Jill Stein was arrested for beating a cop in a Gaza protest (the news ignored it), I doubt they have an AIPAC problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) but if i vote for someone who is bad, and they win, that's bad. dr oz ran against dave mccormick for the primary, and dave lost. fetterman beat oz in the general. all three are in the federal government now. that's bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) don't vote for someone who's bad then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Strawman. I vote in every election. But I don't hold it against those who don't. They correctly see the two party system as completely uninterested in representing them and delivering any material benefit to voters. It's up to Democrats to earn votes. They aren't owed votes. And if they keep fucking around in primaries (if they even have primaries — cf. Kamala), then they can expect third party candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago good. I'm not disagreeing with you. fuck the Dems, but pressuring them by favoring progressives in primaries (not only for presidential candidates) is the best change we got to get out of this mess. and again, fuck them for being fascist lite, permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) "you can’t not participate and then complain about the candidates." I don't participate in republican primaries. I complain about their candidates. I bet only a handful of people participate in green primaries but I've seen plenty of complaints about their candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) I am just saying that this is a crucial moment, and registering and voting in primaries will have much more weight to it, than going on parades every 6 months chanting "No Kings". I get how much the dems suck, they are soulless ghouls, and are as much at fault for the US becoming a fascist nightmare as the conservatives. but voting out AIPAC influence is probably the most consequential thing we can do right now. And if a tiny fraction of people concerned about this actually go and vote in primaries we can actually have an effect, as only a tiny minority votes in those. Also, not sure if you can or it depends on the state, but if you can register and vote in other parties primaries, please do so, I'm 100% sure conservatives without AIPAC will be a much better opposition. they are still fascists cunts, but at least we wont have to worry about being on the beck and call of Netanyahu. Also, given that Jill Stein was arrested for beating a cop in a Gaza protest (the news ignored it), I doubt they have an AIPAC problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) but if i vote for someone who is bad, and they win, that's bad. dr oz ran against dave mccormick for the primary, and dave lost. fetterman beat oz in the general. all three are in the federal government now. that's bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) don't vote for someone who's bad then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child) I am just saying that this is a crucial moment, and registering and voting in primaries will have much more weight to it, than going on parades every 6 months chanting "No Kings". I get how much the dems suck, they are soulless ghouls, and are as much at fault for the US becoming a fascist nightmare as the conservatives. but voting out AIPAC influence is probably the most consequential thing we can do right now. And if a tiny fraction of people concerned about this actually go and vote in primaries we can actually have an effect, as only a tiny minority votes in those. Also, not sure if you can or it depends on the state, but if you can register and vote in other parties primaries, please do so, I'm 100% sure conservatives without AIPAC will be a much better opposition. they are still fascists cunts, but at least we wont have to worry about being on the beck and call of Netanyahu. Also, given that Jill Stein was arrested for beating a cop in a Gaza protest (the news ignored it), I doubt they have an AIPAC problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) but if i vote for someone who is bad, and they win, that's bad. dr oz ran against dave mccormick for the primary, and dave lost. fetterman beat oz in the general. all three are in the federal government now. that's bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) don't vote for someone who's bad then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nsrxn@mstdn.social 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) but if i vote for someone who is bad, and they win, that's bad. dr oz ran against dave mccormick for the primary, and dave lost. fetterman beat oz in the general. all three are in the federal government now. that's bad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) don't vote for someone who's bad then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) don't vote for someone who's bad then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) what i'm hearing is don't vote in republican primaries, or democrat primaries, or for them in the general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) can't vouch for your location. but I'm me area, there are a few genuinely good progressives running, they refused AIPAC contributions (bare fucking minimum of a politician is to not accept bribes). I trust them. at least I trust them to be less shitty than generic Democrats. also, I'm not sure if you are involved and you're talking from frustration at your primaries. all I'm saying is, that if you can. vote in the primaries, that vote will be much more influential than midterms or even general elections vote permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago vote in the primaries literally, the worst thing that ever happens when i vote for someone is that they win. i fucking hate politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Strawman. I vote in every election. But I don't hold it against those who don't. They correctly see the two party system as completely uninterested in representing them and delivering any material benefit to voters. It's up to Democrats to earn votes. They aren't owed votes. And if they keep fucking around in primaries (if they even have primaries — cf. Kamala), then they can expect third party candidates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago good. I'm not disagreeing with you. fuck the Dems, but pressuring them by favoring progressives in primaries (not only for presidential candidates) is the best change we got to get out of this mess. and again, fuck them for being fascist lite, permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago good. I'm not disagreeing with you. fuck the Dems, but pressuring them by favoring progressives in primaries (not only for presidential candidates) is the best change we got to get out of this mess. and again, fuck them for being fascist lite, permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) The democrats havent held free or fair primaries since Obama won them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) not talking presidential, in talking all primaries, from local levels, participate now or don't complain afterwards permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Lol. Local progressives won two seats on city council. Instead of working with them (very blue city), the city council stonewalled them. Then dumped millions of dollars into city council races. Didn't matter how many doors they knocked after that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago it's working then, keep doing it. purge all those cunts out. until soon, it'll be the progressives stonewalling corporate bought goons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Do the Democrats not control the rest of Democratic primaries too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) not sure if they will still pull their superdelegate bullshit on the presidential ballot, but for all other position? they do run them. And even small positions are important, from local to federal level, no one who accepts AIPAC should be a candidate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where in the next election cycle they dumped millions into conservative dems and won the elections back permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago so? those millions are useless if leftists vote in the primaries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (2 children) not talking presidential, in talking all primaries, from local levels, participate now or don't complain afterwards permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Lol. Local progressives won two seats on city council. Instead of working with them (very blue city), the city council stonewalled them. Then dumped millions of dollars into city council races. Didn't matter how many doors they knocked after that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago it's working then, keep doing it. purge all those cunts out. until soon, it'll be the progressives stonewalling corporate bought goons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Do the Democrats not control the rest of Democratic primaries too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) not sure if they will still pull their superdelegate bullshit on the presidential ballot, but for all other position? they do run them. And even small positions are important, from local to federal level, no one who accepts AIPAC should be a candidate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where in the next election cycle they dumped millions into conservative dems and won the elections back permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago so? those millions are useless if leftists vote in the primaries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Lol. Local progressives won two seats on city council. Instead of working with them (very blue city), the city council stonewalled them. Then dumped millions of dollars into city council races. Didn't matter how many doors they knocked after that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago it's working then, keep doing it. purge all those cunts out. until soon, it'll be the progressives stonewalling corporate bought goons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago it's working then, keep doing it. purge all those cunts out. until soon, it'll be the progressives stonewalling corporate bought goons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Do the Democrats not control the rest of Democratic primaries too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) not sure if they will still pull their superdelegate bullshit on the presidential ballot, but for all other position? they do run them. And even small positions are important, from local to federal level, no one who accepts AIPAC should be a candidate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where in the next election cycle they dumped millions into conservative dems and won the elections back permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago so? those millions are useless if leftists vote in the primaries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 child) not sure if they will still pull their superdelegate bullshit on the presidential ballot, but for all other position? they do run them. And even small positions are important, from local to federal level, no one who accepts AIPAC should be a candidate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where in the next election cycle they dumped millions into conservative dems and won the elections back permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago so? those millions are useless if leftists vote in the primaries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wakmrow@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) Did you miss the part where in the next election cycle they dumped millions into conservative dems and won the elections back permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago so? those millions are useless if leftists vote in the primaries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago so? those millions are useless if leftists vote in the primaries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You mean, if they voted against them in the primaries? permalink fedilink source parent