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I am FOSS-friendly? How can I do better?

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[–] 44 points 4 months ago (2 children)

earn crypto

Telltale sign of a completely non-shady browser right there! AI and cryptobros never did anything to hurt FOSS or the world in general, so it's fine! Consume product!

You wanted to have suggestions about what to make better. Why do you use Brave instead of Firefox/Fennec? You can easily install uBlock Origin in the latter and also browse the web without ads and without shady side-features you don't use anyway.

Brave is a Chromium fork and Chromium is bad for browser diversity. Supporting another browser is "more FOSS friendly" I'd say. That was your initial question, wasn't it?

I found this article which explains really well why I personally wouldn't use Brave based on morals and "vibes": https://thelibre.news/no-really-dont-use-brave/

It's a philosophical question. If you don't see it that way and don't care, continue to use Brave. But why ask for other's opinions to then dunk on them? Why do we need to prove to you Brave is bad when you asked for our opinion? It's OK for you to have a different opinion.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You'll probably think the reason is stupid, but I'm not really down to use Firefox mainly because I think their interface is terrible. There's also the fact that most of the money Mozilla makes comes from Google, and I don't really feel good using a product from a company that's basically propped up by Google (yeah, I'm being a hypocrite, I use K9 mail). As for Fennec, I've heard of it, but I never really looked into it; can you tell me why it's a good option?

    And sorry man, I'm not gonna bother checking out the link you sent. I understand and even admire you not using Brave for ethical and moral reasons, but in my opinion, the only people who are 100% ethical all the time are trust fund babies or fools (I'm not a trust fund baby and I'm not looking to be a fool).

    And my bad if any of my comments came off as rude or like I was trying to offend anyone, that wasn't my intention.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    but in my opinion, the only people who are 100% ethical all the time are trust fund babies or fools

    So never be ethical then? Never try to do better when you have the opportunity?

    Perfection is the enemy of good.

    https://projectfennec.org/

    Took me 10 seconds to find that link. They explain why fennec is better.

    Clearly you don't really want to know or you would've done this search yourself, and spent the time reading it right from the source.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You’ll probably think the reason is stupid, but I’m not really down to use Firefox mainly because I think their interface is terrible.

    No, that's fine. Probably a trade-off between usability and philosophy at this point. You actually nearly succeeded in having me try brave but it's not in F-Droid repositories, so I didn't.

    There’s also the fact that most of the money Mozilla makes comes from Google, and I don’t really feel good using a product from a company that’s basically propped up by Google

    Pretty sure Brave wouldn't exist without Google money either. They're not independent from Google if they didn't code their browser from scratch, IMHO.

    Fennec

    Basically FOSS build of mobile firefox. If you tried FF, no need to try Fennec.

    the only people who are 100% ethical all the time are trust fund babies or fools

    idk how one could be ethical as trust fund baby, who by definition gets funded by the patriarchy and capitalism.

    Obviously I'm not operating 100% ethical either, but my goal isn't 100% but whatever percentage is more than what I did last year.

    For example, in 2012 I had 70 Amazon orders. In 2021 I actually managed to get it down to 0. Recently I kinda relapsed but at least it's less than 20 for 2025, I'm striving to get back down to 0 again. Morally perfect? Certainly not. But I'm trying.

    What I'm saying is, I'm doing this based on the browser's makers' vibes, and the article confirms that other people than myself have the same focus on the same issues as me. I just didn't wamt to list them all in a lemmy post.

    And my bad if any of my comments came off as rude or like I was trying to offend anyone, that wasn’t my intention.

    Thank you! Your clarification made me feel better interacting with you regardless of intention :)

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    hey man, what's up, I've got some updates. I installed Fennec and used it for a bit, it actually seems pretty good, I'm really considering using it as my default, even though I'll miss Brave's speed, the nice UI, and the widget showing how many ads were blocked, but Fennec is lighter (storage-wise) and has everything I need, like, it's not "Oh my God, the best browser in the universe," but it does what it's supposed to, I'm happy with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    With uBlock Origin you can see how many ads are blocked, just not as widget on your homescreen or something. Did you install that?

    How much slower do you think firefox/fennec is than Brave? Maybe you can tell the devs specifics if the site is slow on desktop Firefox aswell.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 4 months ago

    It actually makes sense, since Brave is based on Chromium, it's more of a fact than an opinion to say they aren't completely independent from Google.

    I've actually heard good things about Firefox, and I like the idea of a lightweight browser, but the interface really put me off. I'm going to give Fennec a shot, and if I remember, I'll come back here to give my take on what I thought of it.

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Funny how crypto is an amazing example of an entire infrastructure and service layer going FOSS and fully decentralized, and open source capitalist haters still despise it.

    Aaaaahhh

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah but what problem does it solve here? I don't hate crypto in spite of it being FOSS, I hate it because greedy capitalists do harm with it and I don't have any value from it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    What problem does it solve where? It’s an immutable data ledger. It solves trustless interactions.

    Raising capital, trading, etc. it moves financial markets from proprietary pay to play arenas (wall st), to an open model.

    If you hate money and markets, you’ll hate it too. But it does solve worldwide instantaneous value transfer.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    What problem does it solve where? It’s an immutable data ledger. It solves trustless interactions.

    Ah, so, like Git with signed commits. Got it. 🙃

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Precisely actually. Except with nakamoto consensus on top to order the commits.

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