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I've never seen labeling like this before. Interesting.

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[–] 48 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Note that products derived from palm oil should be avoided if you can. https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/8-things-know-about-palm-oil

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  • [–] 71 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That article you linked seems to be saying that palm oil is actually really good?

    It says that it is a major driver of deforestation because people are tearing down trees to grow more of it because it's a very useful and versatile oil.

    It later says that switching away from palm oil isn't a solution because palm oil is actually such an efficient crop that if you used something else the amount of land needed to produce enough oil would drive far more deforestation.

    The article is a call for more regulation on deforestation, not a call to not use palm oil. It in fact almost argues the opposite.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    It's not just deforestation, especially in Orangutan habitats that are endangered. They are also rife with forced labor, ie slave labor. They lure desperate foreigners with promises of good jobs, baiting and switching them with a life of slavery doing hard, very hard labor, including kids. The families can sometimes bail them out by paying several thousand dollars, a lot of money to these impoverished bangladeshis and Indians and the like.

    Many of the desparate migrants that can speak english well are now sold to chinese gangs to run romance scams from slave compounds, a 40 billion dollar a year industry just in S. Asia they figure now, pig butchering and the like.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    For sure. But the problem isn't palm oil itself, which seems like something of a miracle plant when compared to other sources of vegetable oil. It's that the supply chain for it is rife with abuse. Similar to coffee, or honestly, most things that are harvested predominantly in poorer countries with less oversight.

    But, like coffee, it seems there are organizations that certify certain palm oil suppliers as "cruelty free," so it's probably better to try and hunt those out in favor of foregoing palm oil entirely, which seems like a pretty incredible product otherwise.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    Even aside from environmental impacts, palm kernel oil is actually really bad for your cholesterol levels. It’s used as a filler in a lot of foods (many peanut butters, for example).

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago*

    If you decide not buy the omnicidal product because palm oil is an ingredient, that's good.

    Unfortunately only a tiny fraction of people are ethical. The rest are not just unknowingly buying products containing palm oil, but are actively choosing to speed-run us towards a mass-extinction event.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    That is not really true and is more fear mongering. Palm oil is much better than any alternative that can be grown in the same regions. The issue is not palm oil but amount of consumption. Palm oil actually takes up less land than other crops that can produce that type of oil.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Palm oil actually takes up less land than other crops that can produce that type of oil.

    I think this is a little bit of a false equivalence, though. A hectare of borneo jungle ≠ a hectare of Saskatchewan prairie. It's probably an impossible thing to accurately calculate, but I'd like to see kind of control for ecological cost. E.g. is 1 hectare of borneo as important to the earth as 2 hectares of prairie?

    It also seems a bit obvious that an ecosystem on the equator would be capable of greater production than one closer to the poles. It always bothers me when people compare like "x crop takes 2 times as much water as y crop" when crop x might be grown somewhere that water isnt an issue.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, but palm oil is a hard fat, it's used for cookies and anywhere that needs to be solid. alternatives are coconut oil and butter. Neither are better in yield vs land use.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    But if butter can be produced in abundant habitat like the midwest prairie instead of threatened species-dense places like Borneo’s jungle, I’d prefer to go with the higher land use but ultimately less ecologically destructive option.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Palm oil is much better than any alternative

    Palm oil does what palm oil does. And it's useful in food manufacturing because you can create the same products without using butter or transfats. That's pretty much the only reason it gets so heavily used.

    But the actual alternative to palm oils is to stop consuming or manufacturing products using palm oil. That means some products should just be pulled from the market. Oreos, for example.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    But why do we need to grow oil in these regions?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    For solid fats there is no alternative crop growing in northern regions, it is either palm oil, coconut oil (similar regions), or butter. Butter is much more expensive and has other issues. Best thing to do is eat less crappy snacks that need those solid fats, like cookies and such. Without the need for cheap ingredients we would not grow it. But if we do need it, there is no easy alternative

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