▲ 613 ▼ This is Android's new 'advanced flow' for sideloading apps without verification, includes one-day waiting period (9to5google.com) submitted 4 months ago by real_username56@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world 207 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] compast@lemmy.zip 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pool_spray_098@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (3 children) Is GrapheneOS a good enough alternative? I am very interested in switching to that when their phone comes out... But I wish pure Linux were viable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) It just works. Some banking apps won't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (1 child) One of my banking apps (Citi) didn't even work in stock Android on a Pixel. It thinks I'm rooted lol. Everything works well enough in the browser though. Nowadays I just do all that stuff on a desktop PC. Not everything needs to be an app or even done on a phone. The desktop versions of bank websites have everything I need, whereas mobile versions can skip out on certain features. Plus, these apps tend to hoard perms for "security" reasons, or so they say. If you have a strong password and legit MFA (like TOTP or a physical key), use a trusted device/browser that's good enough. There shouldn't be a need to grab my location or nearby devices. Bonus points if the bank lets you review login sessions and deauth devices, flags things like impossible travel, etc. Credit unions tend to do better. DCU is one example. They excel at security, don't do any silliness with perms in their app, let you review logins and devices, and have a strong MFA implementation. The big private national players just want to sell you to data brokers to pad their margins while you pay ridiculous interest rates on their crappy products and get nothing in return. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago I use the browser with a hardware TAN generator, though my bank's app works fine on GOS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Graphene has some quirks, but overall experience is solid. Not perfect, but it does the job. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) We basically need an android compatibility layer before that can happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) Iirc, ValvE was working on one for the Steam Frame so all the Android VR games will run natively on SteamOS. Edit: its called Lepton. Here's an article i found about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Iirc lepton basically just runs Waydroid/lineage under the hood so its still android permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not sure that would be necessary, actually. Android is derived from Linux, surely they can do a translation layer for the majority of API calls? I mean there's no need for emulating anything, nor would it necessarily require layering an entire android install on top of Linux..? But my programming knowledge is limited, and somewhat rusty, so I'm not really sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not too familiar with the project, but I thought I heard talk about it being a compat. layer instead of a VM. Idk though, I might be entirely wrong lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Never mind then lol. Might at least be more optimized like they did with Wine/Proton. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lanske@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago I'm interested in Jolla phones who develop this os: https://sailfishos.org/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pool_spray_098@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (3 children) Is GrapheneOS a good enough alternative? I am very interested in switching to that when their phone comes out... But I wish pure Linux were viable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) It just works. Some banking apps won't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (1 child) One of my banking apps (Citi) didn't even work in stock Android on a Pixel. It thinks I'm rooted lol. Everything works well enough in the browser though. Nowadays I just do all that stuff on a desktop PC. Not everything needs to be an app or even done on a phone. The desktop versions of bank websites have everything I need, whereas mobile versions can skip out on certain features. Plus, these apps tend to hoard perms for "security" reasons, or so they say. If you have a strong password and legit MFA (like TOTP or a physical key), use a trusted device/browser that's good enough. There shouldn't be a need to grab my location or nearby devices. Bonus points if the bank lets you review login sessions and deauth devices, flags things like impossible travel, etc. Credit unions tend to do better. DCU is one example. They excel at security, don't do any silliness with perms in their app, let you review logins and devices, and have a strong MFA implementation. The big private national players just want to sell you to data brokers to pad their margins while you pay ridiculous interest rates on their crappy products and get nothing in return. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago I use the browser with a hardware TAN generator, though my bank's app works fine on GOS. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Graphene has some quirks, but overall experience is solid. Not perfect, but it does the job. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) We basically need an android compatibility layer before that can happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) Iirc, ValvE was working on one for the Steam Frame so all the Android VR games will run natively on SteamOS. Edit: its called Lepton. Here's an article i found about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Iirc lepton basically just runs Waydroid/lineage under the hood so its still android permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not sure that would be necessary, actually. Android is derived from Linux, surely they can do a translation layer for the majority of API calls? I mean there's no need for emulating anything, nor would it necessarily require layering an entire android install on top of Linux..? But my programming knowledge is limited, and somewhat rusty, so I'm not really sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not too familiar with the project, but I thought I heard talk about it being a compat. layer instead of a VM. Idk though, I might be entirely wrong lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Never mind then lol. Might at least be more optimized like they did with Wine/Proton. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) It just works. Some banking apps won't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (1 child) One of my banking apps (Citi) didn't even work in stock Android on a Pixel. It thinks I'm rooted lol. Everything works well enough in the browser though. Nowadays I just do all that stuff on a desktop PC. Not everything needs to be an app or even done on a phone. The desktop versions of bank websites have everything I need, whereas mobile versions can skip out on certain features. Plus, these apps tend to hoard perms for "security" reasons, or so they say. If you have a strong password and legit MFA (like TOTP or a physical key), use a trusted device/browser that's good enough. There shouldn't be a need to grab my location or nearby devices. Bonus points if the bank lets you review login sessions and deauth devices, flags things like impossible travel, etc. Credit unions tend to do better. DCU is one example. They excel at security, don't do any silliness with perms in their app, let you review logins and devices, and have a strong MFA implementation. The big private national players just want to sell you to data brokers to pad their margins while you pay ridiculous interest rates on their crappy products and get nothing in return. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago I use the browser with a hardware TAN generator, though my bank's app works fine on GOS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (1 child) One of my banking apps (Citi) didn't even work in stock Android on a Pixel. It thinks I'm rooted lol. Everything works well enough in the browser though. Nowadays I just do all that stuff on a desktop PC. Not everything needs to be an app or even done on a phone. The desktop versions of bank websites have everything I need, whereas mobile versions can skip out on certain features. Plus, these apps tend to hoard perms for "security" reasons, or so they say. If you have a strong password and legit MFA (like TOTP or a physical key), use a trusted device/browser that's good enough. There shouldn't be a need to grab my location or nearby devices. Bonus points if the bank lets you review login sessions and deauth devices, flags things like impossible travel, etc. Credit unions tend to do better. DCU is one example. They excel at security, don't do any silliness with perms in their app, let you review logins and devices, and have a strong MFA implementation. The big private national players just want to sell you to data brokers to pad their margins while you pay ridiculous interest rates on their crappy products and get nothing in return. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago I use the browser with a hardware TAN generator, though my bank's app works fine on GOS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago I use the browser with a hardware TAN generator, though my bank's app works fine on GOS. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago Graphene has some quirks, but overall experience is solid. Not perfect, but it does the job. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) We basically need an android compatibility layer before that can happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) Iirc, ValvE was working on one for the Steam Frame so all the Android VR games will run natively on SteamOS. Edit: its called Lepton. Here's an article i found about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Iirc lepton basically just runs Waydroid/lineage under the hood so its still android permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not sure that would be necessary, actually. Android is derived from Linux, surely they can do a translation layer for the majority of API calls? I mean there's no need for emulating anything, nor would it necessarily require layering an entire android install on top of Linux..? But my programming knowledge is limited, and somewhat rusty, so I'm not really sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not too familiar with the project, but I thought I heard talk about it being a compat. layer instead of a VM. Idk though, I might be entirely wrong lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Never mind then lol. Might at least be more optimized like they did with Wine/Proton. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) Iirc, ValvE was working on one for the Steam Frame so all the Android VR games will run natively on SteamOS. Edit: its called Lepton. Here's an article i found about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Iirc lepton basically just runs Waydroid/lineage under the hood so its still android permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not sure that would be necessary, actually. Android is derived from Linux, surely they can do a translation layer for the majority of API calls? I mean there's no need for emulating anything, nor would it necessarily require layering an entire android install on top of Linux..? But my programming knowledge is limited, and somewhat rusty, so I'm not really sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not too familiar with the project, but I thought I heard talk about it being a compat. layer instead of a VM. Idk though, I might be entirely wrong lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Never mind then lol. Might at least be more optimized like they did with Wine/Proton. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Iirc lepton basically just runs Waydroid/lineage under the hood so its still android permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not sure that would be necessary, actually. Android is derived from Linux, surely they can do a translation layer for the majority of API calls? I mean there's no need for emulating anything, nor would it necessarily require layering an entire android install on top of Linux..? But my programming knowledge is limited, and somewhat rusty, so I'm not really sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not too familiar with the project, but I thought I heard talk about it being a compat. layer instead of a VM. Idk though, I might be entirely wrong lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Never mind then lol. Might at least be more optimized like they did with Wine/Proton. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not sure that would be necessary, actually. Android is derived from Linux, surely they can do a translation layer for the majority of API calls? I mean there's no need for emulating anything, nor would it necessarily require layering an entire android install on top of Linux..? But my programming knowledge is limited, and somewhat rusty, so I'm not really sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) I'm not too familiar with the project, but I thought I heard talk about it being a compat. layer instead of a VM. Idk though, I might be entirely wrong lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Never mind then lol. Might at least be more optimized like they did with Wine/Proton. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] duplexsystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2025/12/valves-version-of-android-on-linux-based-on-waydroid-is-now-called-lepton/ Its just full Android. 90% of Android isn't Linux it's, well, Android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Never mind then lol. Might at least be more optimized like they did with Wine/Proton. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jo4ted@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago Never mind then lol. Might at least be more optimized like they did with Wine/Proton. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago I'm interested in Jolla phones who develop this os: https://sailfishos.org/ permalink fedilink source parent