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[–] 69 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Now watch all the tankies praise him as a honorary socialist

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (37 children)

    I am trying to get someone to explain what tankie means. People call me tankie from time to time, but I have no love for the iranian goverment.

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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago

    Tankies are apologists for "communist" leaders such as Stalin, Mao and Kim. They love Russia, China and North Korea and will swear those countries can do no wrong. "Left" authoritarians... bootlickers.

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  • [+] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Tankies exist around the world, I don't know why you're making it an american thing. It's not limited to just americans.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah but closer to the eastern bloc you're likely to hear the term "vatnik" used instead.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Tankies and vatniks have a lot of overlap.

    From my understanding, a vatnik is specifically someone who is shilling for the russian government. Not necessarily under a veneer of leftism (because the kremlin is far-right-wing).

    A tankie may or may not be directly shilling for the kremlin, but it's always an auth-comm under a guise of leftism.

    Tankie vatniks exist of course, but they're just the center of the venn diagram.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Assuming you're not a tankie, I would guess it's your instance, which is the main one where all the tankies hang out lol

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That's the thing, how would I know if I am tankie, if I don't have a clear definition. If it is defined by wether or not I am oppossed to military moving into Budapest 70 years ago. I am probably not a tankie, but I say probably, because everyone writing about seem so biased I find it difficult to see the truth of it. But my moral compass tells me it is always wrong to use military against civilians. Always.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    At the end of the day the deeds define the word, not the other way around. Not everyone will use the word correctly or appropriately. It's why only you yourself can truly categorize as such, but at that point you must come to terms with what that means, positively or negatively.

    The bias thing is a real problem, but also sometimes not. It all depends on the context. Some people with unreasonable opinions will absolutely waste your time by never accepting difficult realities and talking around it, so identifying a mindset that's immune to self reflection can be useful. But similarly if a label is all that's needed to dismiss an opinion also is not very reasonable. But it's how some people operate. So sometimes not standing behind a label can be more fruitful as not to entice those presuppositions.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    There is another problem. People use slurs to derail the discussions. Calling people "libs" or "tankies" left, right and center removes focus from whatever is discussed and make people crawl into their foxholes. It is an easy way to devalue people's opinions or simply derail discussions. I think I will keep on questioning when people use the word "tankie", because once the word is on the table, the discussion has already been derailed one way or another. And maybe one day it will lead to better discourse.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago*

    Which is funny because this was just the main instance when I (and many others) learned about Lemmy. I've been called a tankie because of my instance when I'm pretty sure tankies would call me MAGA as I'm somewhere between a leftist, a liberal, and libertarian 

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    "Tankie" was originally a British slang term from the 50s.

    In 1956, when the Soviet Union invaded Hungary, the British Communist movement was split over whether this action was cool, or sucked.

    The people who thought it sucked derided their opponents who thought its cool, as "Tankies", because the images in the newspapers featured lots of photos of Soviet tanks rolling into Budapest.

    After this, it stops being used for the most part, until it started being reclaimed by socialists online as a tongue-in-cheeck insult to throw at each other. Because, let's be real, it's a silly sounding word that's fun to say, and silly words are among the UK's biggest cultural exports.

    Eventually though, Tankie breached containment and started to be used by people who had zero connection to any kind of socialist movement or history, and its meaning began to warp.

    I've seen Marxists, even those think the Soviet invasion of Hungary was bad, called tankies. I've seen Anarchists called Tankies, I've seen right wing guys who love trad russian Orthodox Christianity called Tankies.

    It's a word that doesn't mean much anymore. It's like when your grandpa calls Joe Biden "Pinko Scum"

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Tankie means someone who sometimes defends socialist authoritarian governments because they oppose the capitalist authoritarian governments.

    They(we, sometimes, it's complicated) have a tendency to forgive the crimes of those socialist governments. Sometimes this is justified, because the accusations are false, invented by capitalist media as propaganda.

    However, sometimes it's because we want to believe that the opposition to capitalism is always good and decent, when the truth is muddy and rather unpleasant: both sides suck in their own special ways, and you shouldn't put anyone on a pedestal.

    Here in the fediverse, anarchist leftists or left-libs are the norm, so we tankies get dogpiled pretty often. A pox on all hierarchical governments seems to be the way here.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Tankies are basically maga but for "socialism"

    They don't have any actual values or morals and will happily support the most disgusting and heinous people that opress people, are racists wexist homophobic, that murder civilians and even commit genocide as long as they say they hate capitalism, and western imperialism.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (22 children)

    It's basically a term people on the left use for people on the extreme outer-reaches of the left, typically unthinking, uncritical, and unreasonable supporters of bolshevism and authoritarian communism, and pretty much any oppressive regime that considers itself "anti-west."

    They love putin, jinping, kim, assad, khamenei, etc.

    They stylize themselves as "Marxist-Leninists" and your instance is full of them, so if you signed up unknowingly and aren't a tankie, people might just assume based on the ".ml"

    But yeah, most people on lemmy are tired of arguing in circles with tankies, who typically rely on ad hominems, strawmen, sealioning, and other bad faith or uncharitable arguments to bully you into exhaustion. Some of them have to be bots or russian trolls, cause no one can honestly be so dense. It can feel like arguing with someone from r/conservative, just with the opposite opinions.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

    And if one points out Wikipedia (while very imperfect, yes) is just Western Propaganda, well, that’s a pretty good indicator, too.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Thank you for sharing the wikipedia article. I hadn't read it. A lot of people find Wikipedia controversial for various reasons. But it is one of the most precise encyclopedias on the planet. And you can check out editing history etc. What I am most interested in, is the use here ofcourse. Because it seems to me people use it as a vaguely defined slur to slander people they deem to leftist.

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