▲ 805 ▼ Mamdani Threatens 9.5% Property Tax Increase if Wealth Tax Is Not Passed (www.nytimes.com) submitted 5 months ago by avidamoeba@lemmy.ca to c/news@lemmy.world 237 comments fedilink hide all child comments cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/55502152
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 69 points 5 months ago (4 children) Better pass a rent freeze first or that property tax increase will just get passed on to the people who can afford it least. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 36 points 5 months ago He's working on it. Link permalink fedilink source parent [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 1 point 5 months ago Wrong. Renters already pay what the market is able to bear. permalink fedilink source parent [+] RamRabbit@lemmy.world -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) Better pass a rent freeze first Renters are already fucked in NYC. Stop making their lives worse with proven failures like rent control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Rent control works in specific applications. First, it must be short term as a response to market shocks (like a sudden tax increase). It also must have a graduated taper off period where prices are allowed to gradually increase to meet the market rate. With the dramatic increase in work-from-home, office spaces are going empty. This creates an opportunity to counteract the usual reduction in the quantity of rental units that comes with rent freeze. Reductions of red tape and streamlining conversion of office spaces into apartments would stabilize or even increase the number of rental units. The entire point is that there needs to be a comprehensive strategy, not just a simple tax. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) it must be short term as a response to market shocks NYC has had rent control for decades. If we are talking about short-term rent control working, we are necessarily talking about removing rent control from NYC. Talking about adding more rent control in NYC is doubling down on failure, doubling down on fucking over NYC renters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I'm not necessarily saying rent control is the best response. It's just that raising property taxes is going to raise rents which is exactly what the city doesn't need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago How is rent control a failure? permalink fedilink source parent [+] iopq@lemmy.world -40 points 5 months ago (5 children) Rent freezes make landlords only do the bare minimum maintenance required by the law since they can't increase rents when doing any remodelling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 89 points 5 months ago (1 child) Honey landlords already do the bare minimum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Only in rent-controlled markets. In other markets they remodel to jack up the prices, but you would complain about that too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) You need more life experience if you think landlords only do the bare minimum in rent controlled markets. I guarantee you, you are getting taking advantage of left and right without even realizing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Landlords will do more if they can charge a higher rent later. It's simple economics permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Anyone with a brainstem would complain about that i think. Though I don't grant your premise in the absolute least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago He's doing whatever he can to avoid admitting that he bought into rhetoric that only exists to make people richer than him even richer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago So if landlords put more money into renovation it's bad, if they don't it's also bad permalink fedilink source parent [+] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Another way of looking at this is landlords won't be able to fancy up units and jack up prices which push out low income renters. Also, if landlords can't make a profit, they will sell which will allow more people to buy rather than be forced to rent. This does decrease the number of rental units in the future which could drive up prices, but it could be combined with a plan to renovate office spaces into apartments to counteract this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) We want landlords to do this to serve the renters that want to pay more. Office spaces will be renovated to make apartments when rents are high enough to pay for this expense. You don't need a plan when market forces cause people to make sound business decisions. The only thing you need to fix is zoning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That assumes market forces are doing what you want. There are always levers that can encourage the market to move where you want it to go. For example raising property taxes but giving a 10 year tax break to converted office spaces (and changes to zoning of course). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That makes markets less efficient in the long run. It might cost less in rent, but your office is far away and you pay for it in commute time. You didn't even know that in a parallel universe your company moved to a better office space that's in your city permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Efficiency and resilience are opposing forces. Think of the spare tire on a car. Is it efficient to carry around a fifth wheel all the time? No. But it is resilient because it will make it possible to quickly recover from a disruption (i.e. a flat tire). The housing system needs a certain degree of resilience or people end up homeless. If that costs landlords money, too damn bad. It's the job of government to force them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Ahh, so what you're actually saying is rent freezes discourage landlords from renovating their property (with their tenant's money) and charging more rent afterwards? Most people struggling to pay rent want a place that's functional, not one that's lavish. Once everyone has a functional place to live for a fair price, then we can focus on frivolities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Yes, of course, we're comparing spending more money to improve the property and charging more for it to doing nothing. Who would improve the property out of just good will? They have a business to run permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Lmao how many properties do you own? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Exactly 0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) So you do the bidding of a class you don't belong to? How fucking sad is that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago So first I'm just a landlord shill, but now that you find out I'm not one I'm doing their bidding? Maybe I just want to have a discussion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 36 points 5 months ago He's working on it. Link permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 1 point 5 months ago Wrong. Renters already pay what the market is able to bear. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RamRabbit@lemmy.world -9 points 5 months ago (2 children) Better pass a rent freeze first Renters are already fucked in NYC. Stop making their lives worse with proven failures like rent control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Rent control works in specific applications. First, it must be short term as a response to market shocks (like a sudden tax increase). It also must have a graduated taper off period where prices are allowed to gradually increase to meet the market rate. With the dramatic increase in work-from-home, office spaces are going empty. This creates an opportunity to counteract the usual reduction in the quantity of rental units that comes with rent freeze. Reductions of red tape and streamlining conversion of office spaces into apartments would stabilize or even increase the number of rental units. The entire point is that there needs to be a comprehensive strategy, not just a simple tax. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) it must be short term as a response to market shocks NYC has had rent control for decades. If we are talking about short-term rent control working, we are necessarily talking about removing rent control from NYC. Talking about adding more rent control in NYC is doubling down on failure, doubling down on fucking over NYC renters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I'm not necessarily saying rent control is the best response. It's just that raising property taxes is going to raise rents which is exactly what the city doesn't need. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago How is rent control a failure? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Rent control works in specific applications. First, it must be short term as a response to market shocks (like a sudden tax increase). It also must have a graduated taper off period where prices are allowed to gradually increase to meet the market rate. With the dramatic increase in work-from-home, office spaces are going empty. This creates an opportunity to counteract the usual reduction in the quantity of rental units that comes with rent freeze. Reductions of red tape and streamlining conversion of office spaces into apartments would stabilize or even increase the number of rental units. The entire point is that there needs to be a comprehensive strategy, not just a simple tax. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) it must be short term as a response to market shocks NYC has had rent control for decades. If we are talking about short-term rent control working, we are necessarily talking about removing rent control from NYC. Talking about adding more rent control in NYC is doubling down on failure, doubling down on fucking over NYC renters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I'm not necessarily saying rent control is the best response. It's just that raising property taxes is going to raise rents which is exactly what the city doesn't need. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) it must be short term as a response to market shocks NYC has had rent control for decades. If we are talking about short-term rent control working, we are necessarily talking about removing rent control from NYC. Talking about adding more rent control in NYC is doubling down on failure, doubling down on fucking over NYC renters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I'm not necessarily saying rent control is the best response. It's just that raising property taxes is going to raise rents which is exactly what the city doesn't need. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago I'm not necessarily saying rent control is the best response. It's just that raising property taxes is going to raise rents which is exactly what the city doesn't need. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago How is rent control a failure? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] iopq@lemmy.world -40 points 5 months ago (5 children) Rent freezes make landlords only do the bare minimum maintenance required by the law since they can't increase rents when doing any remodelling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 89 points 5 months ago (1 child) Honey landlords already do the bare minimum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Only in rent-controlled markets. In other markets they remodel to jack up the prices, but you would complain about that too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) You need more life experience if you think landlords only do the bare minimum in rent controlled markets. I guarantee you, you are getting taking advantage of left and right without even realizing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Landlords will do more if they can charge a higher rent later. It's simple economics permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Anyone with a brainstem would complain about that i think. Though I don't grant your premise in the absolute least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago He's doing whatever he can to avoid admitting that he bought into rhetoric that only exists to make people richer than him even richer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago So if landlords put more money into renovation it's bad, if they don't it's also bad permalink fedilink source parent [+] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Another way of looking at this is landlords won't be able to fancy up units and jack up prices which push out low income renters. Also, if landlords can't make a profit, they will sell which will allow more people to buy rather than be forced to rent. This does decrease the number of rental units in the future which could drive up prices, but it could be combined with a plan to renovate office spaces into apartments to counteract this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) We want landlords to do this to serve the renters that want to pay more. Office spaces will be renovated to make apartments when rents are high enough to pay for this expense. You don't need a plan when market forces cause people to make sound business decisions. The only thing you need to fix is zoning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That assumes market forces are doing what you want. There are always levers that can encourage the market to move where you want it to go. For example raising property taxes but giving a 10 year tax break to converted office spaces (and changes to zoning of course). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That makes markets less efficient in the long run. It might cost less in rent, but your office is far away and you pay for it in commute time. You didn't even know that in a parallel universe your company moved to a better office space that's in your city permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Efficiency and resilience are opposing forces. Think of the spare tire on a car. Is it efficient to carry around a fifth wheel all the time? No. But it is resilient because it will make it possible to quickly recover from a disruption (i.e. a flat tire). The housing system needs a certain degree of resilience or people end up homeless. If that costs landlords money, too damn bad. It's the job of government to force them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Ahh, so what you're actually saying is rent freezes discourage landlords from renovating their property (with their tenant's money) and charging more rent afterwards? Most people struggling to pay rent want a place that's functional, not one that's lavish. Once everyone has a functional place to live for a fair price, then we can focus on frivolities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Yes, of course, we're comparing spending more money to improve the property and charging more for it to doing nothing. Who would improve the property out of just good will? They have a business to run permalink fedilink source parent [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Lmao how many properties do you own? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Exactly 0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) So you do the bidding of a class you don't belong to? How fucking sad is that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago So first I'm just a landlord shill, but now that you find out I'm not one I'm doing their bidding? Maybe I just want to have a discussion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 89 points 5 months ago (1 child) Honey landlords already do the bare minimum. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Only in rent-controlled markets. In other markets they remodel to jack up the prices, but you would complain about that too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) You need more life experience if you think landlords only do the bare minimum in rent controlled markets. I guarantee you, you are getting taking advantage of left and right without even realizing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Landlords will do more if they can charge a higher rent later. It's simple economics permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Anyone with a brainstem would complain about that i think. Though I don't grant your premise in the absolute least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago He's doing whatever he can to avoid admitting that he bought into rhetoric that only exists to make people richer than him even richer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago So if landlords put more money into renovation it's bad, if they don't it's also bad permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Only in rent-controlled markets. In other markets they remodel to jack up the prices, but you would complain about that too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) You need more life experience if you think landlords only do the bare minimum in rent controlled markets. I guarantee you, you are getting taking advantage of left and right without even realizing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Landlords will do more if they can charge a higher rent later. It's simple economics permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Anyone with a brainstem would complain about that i think. Though I don't grant your premise in the absolute least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago He's doing whatever he can to avoid admitting that he bought into rhetoric that only exists to make people richer than him even richer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago So if landlords put more money into renovation it's bad, if they don't it's also bad permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 5 points 5 months ago* (1 child) You need more life experience if you think landlords only do the bare minimum in rent controlled markets. I guarantee you, you are getting taking advantage of left and right without even realizing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Landlords will do more if they can charge a higher rent later. It's simple economics permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Landlords will do more if they can charge a higher rent later. It's simple economics permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (2 children) Anyone with a brainstem would complain about that i think. Though I don't grant your premise in the absolute least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago He's doing whatever he can to avoid admitting that he bought into rhetoric that only exists to make people richer than him even richer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago So if landlords put more money into renovation it's bad, if they don't it's also bad permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago He's doing whatever he can to avoid admitting that he bought into rhetoric that only exists to make people richer than him even richer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago So if landlords put more money into renovation it's bad, if they don't it's also bad permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 child) Another way of looking at this is landlords won't be able to fancy up units and jack up prices which push out low income renters. Also, if landlords can't make a profit, they will sell which will allow more people to buy rather than be forced to rent. This does decrease the number of rental units in the future which could drive up prices, but it could be combined with a plan to renovate office spaces into apartments to counteract this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) We want landlords to do this to serve the renters that want to pay more. Office spaces will be renovated to make apartments when rents are high enough to pay for this expense. You don't need a plan when market forces cause people to make sound business decisions. The only thing you need to fix is zoning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That assumes market forces are doing what you want. There are always levers that can encourage the market to move where you want it to go. For example raising property taxes but giving a 10 year tax break to converted office spaces (and changes to zoning of course). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That makes markets less efficient in the long run. It might cost less in rent, but your office is far away and you pay for it in commute time. You didn't even know that in a parallel universe your company moved to a better office space that's in your city permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Efficiency and resilience are opposing forces. Think of the spare tire on a car. Is it efficient to carry around a fifth wheel all the time? No. But it is resilient because it will make it possible to quickly recover from a disruption (i.e. a flat tire). The housing system needs a certain degree of resilience or people end up homeless. If that costs landlords money, too damn bad. It's the job of government to force them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (1 child) We want landlords to do this to serve the renters that want to pay more. Office spaces will be renovated to make apartments when rents are high enough to pay for this expense. You don't need a plan when market forces cause people to make sound business decisions. The only thing you need to fix is zoning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That assumes market forces are doing what you want. There are always levers that can encourage the market to move where you want it to go. For example raising property taxes but giving a 10 year tax break to converted office spaces (and changes to zoning of course). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That makes markets less efficient in the long run. It might cost less in rent, but your office is far away and you pay for it in commute time. You didn't even know that in a parallel universe your company moved to a better office space that's in your city permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Efficiency and resilience are opposing forces. Think of the spare tire on a car. Is it efficient to carry around a fifth wheel all the time? No. But it is resilient because it will make it possible to quickly recover from a disruption (i.e. a flat tire). The housing system needs a certain degree of resilience or people end up homeless. If that costs landlords money, too damn bad. It's the job of government to force them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That assumes market forces are doing what you want. There are always levers that can encourage the market to move where you want it to go. For example raising property taxes but giving a 10 year tax break to converted office spaces (and changes to zoning of course). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That makes markets less efficient in the long run. It might cost less in rent, but your office is far away and you pay for it in commute time. You didn't even know that in a parallel universe your company moved to a better office space that's in your city permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Efficiency and resilience are opposing forces. Think of the spare tire on a car. Is it efficient to carry around a fifth wheel all the time? No. But it is resilient because it will make it possible to quickly recover from a disruption (i.e. a flat tire). The housing system needs a certain degree of resilience or people end up homeless. If that costs landlords money, too damn bad. It's the job of government to force them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) That makes markets less efficient in the long run. It might cost less in rent, but your office is far away and you pay for it in commute time. You didn't even know that in a parallel universe your company moved to a better office space that's in your city permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Efficiency and resilience are opposing forces. Think of the spare tire on a car. Is it efficient to carry around a fifth wheel all the time? No. But it is resilient because it will make it possible to quickly recover from a disruption (i.e. a flat tire). The housing system needs a certain degree of resilience or people end up homeless. If that costs landlords money, too damn bad. It's the job of government to force them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago Efficiency and resilience are opposing forces. Think of the spare tire on a car. Is it efficient to carry around a fifth wheel all the time? No. But it is resilient because it will make it possible to quickly recover from a disruption (i.e. a flat tire). The housing system needs a certain degree of resilience or people end up homeless. If that costs landlords money, too damn bad. It's the job of government to force them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rushmonke@ttrpg.network 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child) Ahh, so what you're actually saying is rent freezes discourage landlords from renovating their property (with their tenant's money) and charging more rent afterwards? Most people struggling to pay rent want a place that's functional, not one that's lavish. Once everyone has a functional place to live for a fair price, then we can focus on frivolities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Yes, of course, we're comparing spending more money to improve the property and charging more for it to doing nothing. Who would improve the property out of just good will? They have a business to run permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago Yes, of course, we're comparing spending more money to improve the property and charging more for it to doing nothing. Who would improve the property out of just good will? They have a business to run permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 months ago (1 child) Lmao how many properties do you own? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Exactly 0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) So you do the bidding of a class you don't belong to? How fucking sad is that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago So first I'm just a landlord shill, but now that you find out I'm not one I'm doing their bidding? Maybe I just want to have a discussion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) Exactly 0 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) So you do the bidding of a class you don't belong to? How fucking sad is that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago So first I'm just a landlord shill, but now that you find out I'm not one I'm doing their bidding? Maybe I just want to have a discussion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago (1 child) So you do the bidding of a class you don't belong to? How fucking sad is that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago So first I'm just a landlord shill, but now that you find out I'm not one I'm doing their bidding? Maybe I just want to have a discussion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago So first I'm just a landlord shill, but now that you find out I'm not one I'm doing their bidding? Maybe I just want to have a discussion permalink fedilink source parent