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Trump's letter to Prime Minister of Norway. If Americans could read, they'd be really embarrassed right now. (lemmy.ca)
submitted 6 months ago by to c/FuckTheUSA@lemmy.ca
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[+] -13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You're one hundred percent free to take that position, but it's not arrogance when half this thread is Europeans looking down their nose as if they have any fucking clue what's happening in the USA today. Spare me the lectures if it's an internal problem.

I don't want to read a single comment panicking over a Trump tweet or letter. I don't want any more debates with EU commenters pretending they know the US constitution, laws, election process, or insitutional corruption better than I do. I don't want to hear from anyone who's reading headlines from halfway around the world and dismissing my experiences ("just do something"). I don't wanna hear shit from any armchair revolutionaries living in countries where the police can't even carry pepper spray.

If you all can't agree to do that then see my original comment: fuck off and take your own political initiative. Maybe you'll start to understand why this isn't some inconvenient internal problem when the largest military in the world is blockading your ports and kidnapping your leaders. "Good fucking luck"

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Maybe you shouldn't come into a community called FuckTheUSA then...

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  • [+] -11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe "FuckTheUSA" should be something besides hand-wringing and lectures. Clearly you're not committed to the cause if you're complaining about me pointing out tangible, real world actions they can take to "fuck the USA"

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I don't want to hear from anyone who's reading headlines from halfway around the world and dismissing my experiences ("just do something")

    Once again Rules for Thee, Not for Me.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    ???

    I'm not the one who's commenting "[Americans/Europeans/Canadians] are all cowards" like some people in this thread. I am not denying that there are people who are pushing for real political action in other countries.

    What I am doing is calling out specific users painting 340 million people with a broad brush while remaining completely silent on their own country. Somehow they're allowed to give unchecked criticism on "internal USA problems" while not even touching the subject of what they can personally ask their country to do to "FuckTheUSA".

    Somehow taking the basic precaution of not associating my real world resistance with what I post on this platform automatically makes me a complacent sheep. What the hell is stopping anyone outside the USA from telling us what they're doing about the march of fascism led by the US federal government? If it's not pressing enough to take your own political initiative then why are you commenting?

    The only answer I've gotten is "my life is hard and it's Your Problem to solve". Fair enough, then refrain from making comments in the same way I don't make comments on the state of EU politics.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    What I am doing is calling out specific users painting 340 million people with a broad brush while remaining completely silent on their own country.

    Somehow taking the basic precaution of not associating my real world resistance with what I post on this platform automatically makes me a complacent sheep.

    Do you not see it?

    the same way I don't make comments on the state of EU politics.

    You mean like

    touching the subject of what they can personally ask their country to do to "FuckTheUSA".

    You're literally ranting at people complaining that they are doing the thing that you then proceeded to do yourself. It's okay when you do or don't do something, but that doesn't extend to anyone beyond yourself.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Your reading comprehension is really lacking. These are replies pointing out the hypocrisy of the people in this thread. Look at the original post ffs, painting 340 million people as illiterate and then getting defensive when I ask wtf they're doing that gives them the right to say that. If you can't understand the difference between those comments or the context of this post that's on you.

    "oh but it's FuckTheUSA, we're allowed to say stupid tribal shit"

    Like fuck you are, tell me what gives you the right? It's the paradox of tolerance on full display.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Right, you got all defensive when they asked what Americans are doing, then complain that they got all defensive when you asked what they are doing. It's the exact same thing but for some reason it's okay when you do and unacceptable if someone else does it.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah if someone walks up and says you're a piece of shit and everyone you know is an illiterate coward you're allowed to be defensive and ask who tf they think they are. That's how the world works. It's not "exactly the same thing" at all

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    you're allowed to be defensive

    You say this, and then you criticize them for being defensive.

    If someone walks up to you and says you're a piece of shit, responding with "You're a piece of shit! It's inappropriate to call people pieces of shit!" Does not actually improve the situation and is a little bizarre.

    Then you follow-up with criticizing them for being defensive after you called them a piece shit in return and it's just weird.

    And they didn't walk up to you. You went into the "Fuck the USA" community and are clutching your pearls that you heard someone say "Fuck the USA." What were you expecting to find here?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    What is defensive about directing anger at a historically loathed and corrupt head of state unilaterally fucking up the world to 340 million people stuck under his jack boots? Who forced OP and others to do that? They don't deserve any criticism for such stupid statements?

    I assumed "fuck the USA" was a message about resistance to the fascist goons who have eroded the US federal government for decades and are enacting the same plan in countries all over the world. Turns out it's about fuck specifically everyone living in the USA.

    Just disregard the fact that these fascist fucks have killed, through direct action and policy, more US residents than just about any other country. Just scroll back 80 years through every milestone of fascists eroding our healthcare and social safety nets; millions of excess deaths from Covid; millions dead or in slavery from a broken criminal justice system; entrenching poverty to force people into the foreign oil war meat grinder; neglecting gun homicides and enflaming every drug crisis for profit; systematic racism and disenfranchisement; every step that undercut the pillars of our education and democracy.

    But nah, there's absolutely no room for nuance or a critical understanding of the conditions that caused this. We'll go back to the millenia old stance of tribalism: America must be bad because there's a lack of moral fiber that gets injected into you when you're born or gain your citizenship. Let's just dehumanize the other, call me orc or illiterate or whatever the fuck makes you feel good. Now you don't have to feel uncomfortable about your own politics or domestic affairs, problem solved.

    Fuck that, fuck you, nobody should be OK with people saying shit like that. But I'm not allowed to call that out because this is a jingoist safe space...

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago*

    but it’s not arrogance when half this thread is Europeans looking down their nose as if they have any fucking clue what’s happening in the USA today.

    Being arrogant in response to a perceived slight doesn't cancel out the arrogance.

    I'm not commenting on your response specifically I'm saying your argument here doesn't make any sense.

    Everyone has a constant feed on what's happening in America, not just the news and propaganda outlets but the direct social media reports of thousands of day to day people.

    I don’t want to read a single comment panicking over a Trump tweet or letter. I don’t want any more debates with EU commenters pretending they know the US constitution, laws, election process, or insitutional corruption better than I do.

    That's easily solvable, don't hang out in a space called "FuckTheUSA", it's like a vegan being offended by meat preparation after making a reservation and walking in to "BIG JOE'S 100% REAL STEAKHOUSE AND BURGERS".

    Probably best to avoid all of the topics that are very obviously things you don't want to see the comments on.

    Living in a country gives you lived experience, it's doesn't automatically grant you intellectual superiority on "US constitution, laws, election process, or insitutional corruption" , if that was the case, those voting percentages would be different.

    I don’t want to hear from anyone who’s reading headlines from halfway around the world and dismissing my experiences (“just do something”). I don’t wanna hear shit from any armchair revolutionaries living in countries where the police can’t even carry pepper spray.

    AFAICT nobody in this thread has said you personally should be doing anything above and beyond the normal voting and campaigning you'd normally do ( i could have missed it, feel free to link any missed statements ).

    A great deal of police forces are allowed to carry pepper spray ( or some other form of non-lethal ), many of them also have access to firearms, though obviously not at the scale of the USA I'm sure if we had a senile despot funding a force of untrained bigoted assholes to go out and feel good about themselves, they'd open up that access pretty quickly.

    Also, and i don't mean this as an attack, unless you are actually out there doing something tangible, that would also make you an "armchair revolutionary", albeit one immersed in the situation.

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