Fuck The USA

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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

???

I'm not the one who's commenting "[Americans/Europeans/Canadians] are all cowards" like some people in this thread. I am not denying that there are people who are pushing for real political action in other countries.

What I am doing is calling out specific users painting 340 million people with a broad brush while remaining completely silent on their own country. Somehow they're allowed to give unchecked criticism on "internal USA problems" while not even touching the subject of what they can personally ask their country to do to "FuckTheUSA".

Somehow taking the basic precaution of not associating my real world resistance with what I post on this platform automatically makes me a complacent sheep. What the hell is stopping anyone outside the USA from telling us what they're doing about the march of fascism led by the US federal government? If it's not pressing enough to take your own political initiative then why are you commenting?

The only answer I've gotten is "my life is hard and it's Your Problem to solve". Fair enough, then refrain from making comments in the same way I don't make comments on the state of EU politics.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

What I am doing is calling out specific users painting 340 million people with a broad brush while remaining completely silent on their own country.

Somehow taking the basic precaution of not associating my real world resistance with what I post on this platform automatically makes me a complacent sheep.

Do you not see it?

the same way I don't make comments on the state of EU politics.

You mean like

touching the subject of what they can personally ask their country to do to "FuckTheUSA".

You're literally ranting at people complaining that they are doing the thing that you then proceeded to do yourself. It's okay when you do or don't do something, but that doesn't extend to anyone beyond yourself.

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[–] stickly@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

Your reading comprehension is really lacking. These are replies pointing out the hypocrisy of the people in this thread. Look at the original post ffs, painting 340 million people as illiterate and then getting defensive when I ask wtf they're doing that gives them the right to say that. If you can't understand the difference between those comments or the context of this post that's on you.

"oh but it's FuckTheUSA, we're allowed to say stupid tribal shit"

Like fuck you are, tell me what gives you the right? It's the paradox of tolerance on full display.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

Right, you got all defensive when they asked what Americans are doing, then complain that they got all defensive when you asked what they are doing. It's the exact same thing but for some reason it's okay when you do and unacceptable if someone else does it.

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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Yeah if someone walks up and says you're a piece of shit and everyone you know is an illiterate coward you're allowed to be defensive and ask who tf they think they are. That's how the world works. It's not "exactly the same thing" at all

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

you're allowed to be defensive

You say this, and then you criticize them for being defensive.

If someone walks up to you and says you're a piece of shit, responding with "You're a piece of shit! It's inappropriate to call people pieces of shit!" Does not actually improve the situation and is a little bizarre.

Then you follow-up with criticizing them for being defensive after you called them a piece shit in return and it's just weird.

And they didn't walk up to you. You went into the "Fuck the USA" community and are clutching your pearls that you heard someone say "Fuck the USA." What were you expecting to find here?

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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

What is defensive about directing anger at a historically loathed and corrupt head of state unilaterally fucking up the world to 340 million people stuck under his jack boots? Who forced OP and others to do that? They don't deserve any criticism for such stupid statements?

I assumed "fuck the USA" was a message about resistance to the fascist goons who have eroded the US federal government for decades and are enacting the same plan in countries all over the world. Turns out it's about fuck specifically everyone living in the USA.

Just disregard the fact that these fascist fucks have killed, through direct action and policy, more US residents than just about any other country. Just scroll back 80 years through every milestone of fascists eroding our healthcare and social safety nets; millions of excess deaths from Covid; millions dead or in slavery from a broken criminal justice system; entrenching poverty to force people into the foreign oil war meat grinder; neglecting gun homicides and enflaming every drug crisis for profit; systematic racism and disenfranchisement; every step that undercut the pillars of our education and democracy.

But nah, there's absolutely no room for nuance or a critical understanding of the conditions that caused this. We'll go back to the millenia old stance of tribalism: America must be bad because there's a lack of moral fiber that gets injected into you when you're born or gain your citizenship. Let's just dehumanize the other, call me orc or illiterate or whatever the fuck makes you feel good. Now you don't have to feel uncomfortable about your own politics or domestic affairs, problem solved.

Fuck that, fuck you, nobody should be OK with people saying shit like that. But I'm not allowed to call that out because this is a jingoist safe space...