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The Invention of Anarchism - Existential Comics (lemmy.world)
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[–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If you thing that currently, cops are protecting people being abused, you are misinforms. This is not something we have to thing for after the revolution; we have to solve it now. And this is not the sole respectability of anarchists or activists.

In my organisations, we do. We have a procedure to listening victims and gathering their needs. Most of the time, their is material need (and we have a solidarity fund to response), and keep away the aggressor from the place the survivors evolve. If He/sh comply, we start a mediation in order to not let the aggressor alone and let him evolve. If not, that personne is warn that he/she is not welcome in thoses places.

If we threat the survivor again, or if force himself into those places and refuse to leave, we may make him to, by force. If you think that could make us like cops, our comrades could agree, and we may have to justify ourselves in front of our community.

This one of many point of view one "how to deal with violence". Their is not common solution, each place need to inform and try out. We need to be better than fascists with guns and no accountability to the people; that leave a lot place.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So basically vigilante violence with zero standards and regulations is your grand idea of replacing an actual police force because you think they lack a proper amount of standards and regulations? Can't make up this clownery

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What? It's almost like you think burning witches at the stake and hanging people from trees based upon their skin color is a bad thing. Don't you know that large groups of random people are always the most logical and best thinkers the human race has to offer.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I said the exact opposite. Read again

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Your comment was pretty hard to read with all the typos, but I still think I got the core of it just fine. What you're proposing is already the case with modern police forces. The only difference is that the police now common standards and regulations they must follow nationwide, but under anarchy there will be no oversight at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yep, I do agree. So maybe we need to define things.

    According to Foucault, the police is not about law enforcement. Magistrate interprets laws to make the police actions legals afterward. I would not gave example, but you could read his work on power and punishments. He describes how the use of violence structure the society as a whole, and how it does absolutely not even try to prevent violence in doing so.

    It's of course more complex, but to summary : the police as not the same social function before and after the modernisation. For example, miliciens keeping cities safe before that are people with another work, that have to bee miliciens. Everyone that could do so, have to do that work from time to time (the corvée). And they have to protect people. So they would requisitions empty places for people without housings.

    The modernization militarize this forces, centralize how they work and shift their mission and recrutements. Cops are now specialize forces, with military training, and a strict hierarchy. Colonization, brutalization of war ("Free company"), enclosures, ...

    A lot of anarchists do refers to police with a compatible definition of Foucault and weber : the "monopoly of legitimate violence" This violence could not be broken or diminish if the force got social legitimacy and monopoly. In my previous example, I described the use of violence that is legitimate by default, and could be judge by everyone. Others gave example when this use is not specialize, so diminish this monopoly.

    Some could says we want reforms police, and use a different word. We do not. Institution reproduce themselves through the people in it. Even the most social advance organization for "law enforcement" with former cops in it will go wrong. It took time to change one habits

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Then I will say, just because we are likely to make the same mistakes over and over is not an excuse to stop doing a thing if it helps, and I cannot subscribe to the belief that just because a thing CAN go wrong that it necessarily MUST go wrong. We can manage our world better with better policies and social structures, to abandon something just because it’s been misused is like not using dinner knives anymore because they’re used for stabbings.

    Yep. And to make better policies and social structure, we need to understand why it goes wrong. Modern police has been made with mercenaries, soldiers (18/19e centuries), slave hunters (19/20e centuries), gang members paid to terrorize union members, and nazis. Those people were fired for their skills, and taught others cops to do like them. Because it was need by the ruling class to keep the inequality that favor them : to keep slave in slavery, workers wish small wages, or keep away racialize and colonized people from the infrastructure build with loot of other countries.

    I'm not saying that cops are evil people. Some cops know that kind of issues and want to be "a lesser evil", others want to be good but will believe in some stuff that give sense to the violence they are making (racial inequity, nationalism, ... ). In the end, a white collar triggering war, or funding war crime would have a better treatment than a hobo stealing.

    My point is : the social structure are stronger than individual will. And the police is a social structure. Again, police as an institution with people, a hierarchy, and an history that produce it. The social function "protect everyone against violence" is important, and is not the police we are talking about.

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