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submitted 7 months ago by [M] to c/peoplemastodon@quokk.au
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[–] 28 points 7 months ago (1 child)

Its interesting how you interpreted their premises:

  1. A lot of men are rapists even though you aren't.
  2. Be kind.
  3. Continue to fight the rapists

As "if you don't want people to hate you, you need to hate yourself". I don't understand where you are getting this take from these three premises, could you further explain?

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    "If you want people to think of men in general as nice people you need to fight the rapists". You see no problem with that statement? It assumes men are rapists by default. I do not think of men as rapists by default. That is, by definition, sexism. It says "hey unless you prove that you're one of the Good Ones I'm going to assume otherwise". You're okay with that statement and comfortable with it being applied to other groups?

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    it assumes men are rapists by default.

    No, it assumes that rapists are men by default, which is eminently reasonable.

    (At least) a full third of the non-male population reports occurrences of sexual assault (which admittedly isn't rape) by a man. So I'm not sure why that doesn't offend you much more than the fact that hardly anyone reports being attacked by a bear.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Probably because people are around people 24/7 and people are only around bears a short time? You wanna compare the time spent in close proximity with men and being raped vs bears and being attacked? This is why this is such a dumb argument. "Wow sharks are pretty deadly" Vending machines kill more people per year. Because people are around them more, not because they're inherently more dangerous than sharks. Good lord.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    you're still misunderstanding something here. bears act consistently. men are a spectrum. if a woman encounters a bear in the woods, she can prepare for that. she knows to back away slowly, and if the bear approaches to make herself big. if that's not enough there's a decent chance she has a can of bear mace on her.

    if she encounters a man the mental calculus is different because some men are huge problems, some men are decent helpful people, some men are decent helpful people performatively and she has to continually assess if man is a huge problem acting like he isn't.

    part of the reason women say they'd rather encounter a random bear than a random man in the woods is that they've spent a lifetime around men and what to do about one is far more complicated than what to do about an 800 lb coward who acts very consistently

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Hey if you dated an 800 lb coward that's on you.

    Alright, you want me to level with you? I'll level with you. I've been HORRIBLY abused by women. I'm not talking little cigarette burns (though I have those too), I'm talking big ass knife gashes that are still painfully scarred 25 years on. I have been physically, sexually, and mentally abused and tortured for decades. And the only way I choose a bear which equals death over the vague possible CHANCE I could be abused again is if I was suicidal again. This is such a dumb argument. I'm not talking about this anymore.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    encountering a bear != spending time with bear

    i'm sorry you went through add that. but the bear is not going to kill you on sight or emotionally manipulate you or rape you, which is what's being got at. i just ask that you look at those awful experiences of rape culture you had and have some empathy for that it creates a culture of fear that men and women both exist in as they navigate the world, and that makes it to where it's easier to imagine a scenario you can plan for and deal with than a scenario where you are nervous the entire time.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You're not taking about this anymore because you've been proven ridiculously wrong in a comment thread bro

    You're feelings got hurt

    You're probably not great with women

    This CUT YOU because "not all men!"

    Self reflect. There's s reason everyone is saying the same thing to you bro. There's a reason this makes you angry.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    No where in that statement is it suggested to consider ALL men rapists. Where are you getting this? Fighting "the rapists" means fighting the rapists, not all men? You are interpretting this in a way that goes way beyond what was stated.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    Are you claiming there aren't men that are rapists?

    So why wouldn't you fight against these rapist men? Because they are men and you don't think of them as rapist by default?

    We are specifically calling out rapists men, not all men. You are the one who claims that.

    I don't want any rapists to exist. They should all be eliminated.

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