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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 21 points 7 months ago (4 children) Have you considered the animals we don't eat just don't taste good? 🤷♂️ permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 child) Or they were too hard to domesticate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children) I often wonder which animals would just go extinct if we stopped farming them. And which ones would trade in a shorter life of food, shelter, safety, and health instead of being in the wild and surviving, constantly preyed on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (3 children) Animals aren't concerned with extinction and don't have committees to vote on what kind of life they should have. They just want to live. Many would go extinct as they were bred to be killed, not to survive in nature. I'm not sure if you were going there, but that's not an argument to not stop farming them. The intention here is to stop this cycle where hundreds of billions a year are born into a disfigured body, then live hell and suffering and misery then killed. They should go extinct and that should stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago Or we could treat them better permalink fedilink source parent [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Been on a farm before, what suffering? Plenty of non factory farms exist too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) You've probably been in a nicer slaughterhouse than I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) They just want to live. animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Hahaha, what total nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal. But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago* Well, Aurochs has gone extinct because of humans. Domesticated cow would likely have huge mortality rates due to inflamed udders the first few generations (things like this fix themselves fast). permalink fedilink source parent [–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago (2 children) Can confirm. I've tasted dog; Not that good. Horses are excellent sausage material though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) Horses are best as cold smoked cuts imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago I like horse steak a lot. It’s somewhere between beef and venison. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Do you think most carnivores don’t taste all that great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Haven't thought about it, as I haven't eaten many, but pigs are omnivores, and they're pretty great. I tasted alligator a while back, and it was alright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago I’ve had alligator but only fried, so I’m not sure if that really gave me the best example permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (3 children) Does raw pork taste good? Or is it the dish that tastes good, a.k.a how it's prepared and seasoned? For example, I hate fish, but Fish'n'chips is amazing, because there's barely any taste of fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You know there is more than 1 fish right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago No shot?? permalink fedilink source parent [–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago (3 children) Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. I definitely know there are meats, completely unseasoned, that I like and dislike. Pork is a big ugh from me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. Oh, I dunno about that. Have you ever seen a vegetarian relapse? They'll murder you if you try to take it off them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I don't think this is true for most people. I will eat food that has meat in it if it's just going to go bad or be thrown away, but that's extremely rare and it's the same as I remember it from when I used to eat it. So probably once every 1-3 years. maybe it would be different if it was like 10+ years. Definitely with milk it is immediately obvious anything that has it and it tastes pretty gross now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago Even without seasoning, change the cut and cooking method makes a huge difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yobasari@feddit.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Raw pork tastes great. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago Taste is probably a matter of taste permalink fedilink source parent [–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago* I draw the line to the right of horse, because we have bred those animals for thousands of years as food. Thats why they taste the best. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 child) Or they were too hard to domesticate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children) I often wonder which animals would just go extinct if we stopped farming them. And which ones would trade in a shorter life of food, shelter, safety, and health instead of being in the wild and surviving, constantly preyed on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (3 children) Animals aren't concerned with extinction and don't have committees to vote on what kind of life they should have. They just want to live. Many would go extinct as they were bred to be killed, not to survive in nature. I'm not sure if you were going there, but that's not an argument to not stop farming them. The intention here is to stop this cycle where hundreds of billions a year are born into a disfigured body, then live hell and suffering and misery then killed. They should go extinct and that should stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago Or we could treat them better permalink fedilink source parent [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Been on a farm before, what suffering? Plenty of non factory farms exist too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) You've probably been in a nicer slaughterhouse than I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) They just want to live. animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Hahaha, what total nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal. But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago* Well, Aurochs has gone extinct because of humans. Domesticated cow would likely have huge mortality rates due to inflamed udders the first few generations (things like this fix themselves fast). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children) I often wonder which animals would just go extinct if we stopped farming them. And which ones would trade in a shorter life of food, shelter, safety, and health instead of being in the wild and surviving, constantly preyed on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (3 children) Animals aren't concerned with extinction and don't have committees to vote on what kind of life they should have. They just want to live. Many would go extinct as they were bred to be killed, not to survive in nature. I'm not sure if you were going there, but that's not an argument to not stop farming them. The intention here is to stop this cycle where hundreds of billions a year are born into a disfigured body, then live hell and suffering and misery then killed. They should go extinct and that should stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago Or we could treat them better permalink fedilink source parent [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Been on a farm before, what suffering? Plenty of non factory farms exist too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) You've probably been in a nicer slaughterhouse than I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) They just want to live. animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Hahaha, what total nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal. But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago* Well, Aurochs has gone extinct because of humans. Domesticated cow would likely have huge mortality rates due to inflamed udders the first few generations (things like this fix themselves fast). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (3 children) Animals aren't concerned with extinction and don't have committees to vote on what kind of life they should have. They just want to live. Many would go extinct as they were bred to be killed, not to survive in nature. I'm not sure if you were going there, but that's not an argument to not stop farming them. The intention here is to stop this cycle where hundreds of billions a year are born into a disfigured body, then live hell and suffering and misery then killed. They should go extinct and that should stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago Or we could treat them better permalink fedilink source parent [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Been on a farm before, what suffering? Plenty of non factory farms exist too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) You've probably been in a nicer slaughterhouse than I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) They just want to live. animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Hahaha, what total nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal. But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago Or we could treat them better permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Been on a farm before, what suffering? Plenty of non factory farms exist too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) You've probably been in a nicer slaughterhouse than I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 child) You've probably been in a nicer slaughterhouse than I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) They don't live their life in a slaughterhouse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Yes, that is the idea of slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago (1 child) They just want to live. animal cognitive behaviourists who study the subject have not found proof that non human animals understand personal mortality. that is, they don't understand that they, themselves, might die. if you don't know that you might die, you can't meaningfully be said to want to live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Hahaha, what total nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal. But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Hahaha, what total nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal. But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) what's nonsense is making unproven claims, and premising a broader argument on those. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal. But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (1 child) I'm not even making any claims that are not truisms. Just common knowledge obtained by everyone that has ever had any contact with any animal. But you do you. I don't want to continue with this. Be well, happy holidays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) "common knowledge", "truisms" just present some evidence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] amzd@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago* (2 children) I know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. Sentient animals can have good and bad experiences. In some cases they are simple physical enjoyments, while in other cases they have to do with emotions and pleasant thoughts, which many nonhuman animals are capable of having. Animals who play and social animals who enjoy relating to each other have such experiences. However, when nonhuman animals die, they can no longer have any positive experiences. When someone dies, they can no longer enjoy all the good things that they could experience if they were to remain alive. Thus all sentient animals can be harmed by death, and actually are so harmed when they die. So sentient animals not only have an interest in not suffering, but also have an interest in remaining alive. (Loosely quoted from https://www.animal-ethics.org/interest-in-living) TLDR; Unless you believe that animals can not have positive experiences it is logically derived that they have interest in living. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago know trying to convince commie is pointless as they are in every vegan aligned thread arguing indefinitely so this is for the reader. this is poisoning the well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago this is dissembling. continuing to live can broadly be said to be in every living things interest. that's not what the discussion is about though. there is no proof nonhuman animals understand that they might die. we cannot, therefore, conclude whether that's something they want or don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 7 months ago* Well, Aurochs has gone extinct because of humans. Domesticated cow would likely have huge mortality rates due to inflamed udders the first few generations (things like this fix themselves fast). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago (2 children) Can confirm. I've tasted dog; Not that good. Horses are excellent sausage material though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) Horses are best as cold smoked cuts imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago I like horse steak a lot. It’s somewhere between beef and venison. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Do you think most carnivores don’t taste all that great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Haven't thought about it, as I haven't eaten many, but pigs are omnivores, and they're pretty great. I tasted alligator a while back, and it was alright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago I’ve had alligator but only fried, so I’m not sure if that really gave me the best example permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 4 points 7 months ago (1 child) Horses are best as cold smoked cuts imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago I like horse steak a lot. It’s somewhere between beef and venison. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago I like horse steak a lot. It’s somewhere between beef and venison. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Do you think most carnivores don’t taste all that great? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Haven't thought about it, as I haven't eaten many, but pigs are omnivores, and they're pretty great. I tasted alligator a while back, and it was alright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago I’ve had alligator but only fried, so I’m not sure if that really gave me the best example permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) Haven't thought about it, as I haven't eaten many, but pigs are omnivores, and they're pretty great. I tasted alligator a while back, and it was alright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago I’ve had alligator but only fried, so I’m not sure if that really gave me the best example permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kalothar@lemmy.ca 1 point 7 months ago I’ve had alligator but only fried, so I’m not sure if that really gave me the best example permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (3 children) Does raw pork taste good? Or is it the dish that tastes good, a.k.a how it's prepared and seasoned? For example, I hate fish, but Fish'n'chips is amazing, because there's barely any taste of fish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You know there is more than 1 fish right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago No shot?? permalink fedilink source parent [–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago (3 children) Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. I definitely know there are meats, completely unseasoned, that I like and dislike. Pork is a big ugh from me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. Oh, I dunno about that. Have you ever seen a vegetarian relapse? They'll murder you if you try to take it off them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I don't think this is true for most people. I will eat food that has meat in it if it's just going to go bad or be thrown away, but that's extremely rare and it's the same as I remember it from when I used to eat it. So probably once every 1-3 years. maybe it would be different if it was like 10+ years. Definitely with milk it is immediately obvious anything that has it and it tastes pretty gross now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago Even without seasoning, change the cut and cooking method makes a huge difference. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yobasari@feddit.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Raw pork tastes great. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago Taste is probably a matter of taste permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) You know there is more than 1 fish right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 1 point 7 months ago No shot?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 7 months ago (3 children) Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. I definitely know there are meats, completely unseasoned, that I like and dislike. Pork is a big ugh from me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. Oh, I dunno about that. Have you ever seen a vegetarian relapse? They'll murder you if you try to take it off them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I don't think this is true for most people. I will eat food that has meat in it if it's just going to go bad or be thrown away, but that's extremely rare and it's the same as I remember it from when I used to eat it. So probably once every 1-3 years. maybe it would be different if it was like 10+ years. Definitely with milk it is immediately obvious anything that has it and it tastes pretty gross now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago Even without seasoning, change the cut and cooking method makes a huge difference. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago Some folks say that all meat is disgusting if you haven't eaten it in a large amount of time. Oh, I dunno about that. Have you ever seen a vegetarian relapse? They'll murder you if you try to take it off them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 1 point 7 months ago I don't think this is true for most people. I will eat food that has meat in it if it's just going to go bad or be thrown away, but that's extremely rare and it's the same as I remember it from when I used to eat it. So probably once every 1-3 years. maybe it would be different if it was like 10+ years. Definitely with milk it is immediately obvious anything that has it and it tastes pretty gross now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 point 7 months ago Even without seasoning, change the cut and cooking method makes a huge difference. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yobasari@feddit.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 child) Raw pork tastes great. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago Taste is probably a matter of taste permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrSmith@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago Taste is probably a matter of taste permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago* I draw the line to the right of horse, because we have bred those animals for thousands of years as food. Thats why they taste the best. permalink fedilink source parent
