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Both sides are the same (lemmy.world)
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[–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

Capitalism literally encourages human greed to accumulate wealth and destroy the societal system. Even if you tax and regulate them that's still what's encouraged, as its literally the entire point of the system

And regarding "only some species share resources.." Yes. Us. That's literally what society is. How do you think humans grew to become the most successful species on earth? If you win I do not lose. It's not a zero-sum game. Cooperation is literally a win-win. Do you think technology and science would thrive and prosper in a cutthroat society where people kill and steal from each other over any tiny advantage they can get?

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  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I am not saying capitalism is great.

    You guys ignore the very fact that socialism and communism is a failed system because they are so extreme in its nature. You have to make people believe that the opposite is worse. Capitalism is failing today because it is going towards an extreme, both are the 2 sides of the same coin. Having the best of both worlds is what will create balance. The capitalism from 50 years ago and capitalism today are vastly different. Because earlier we were either centre-right or centre-left.

    technology and science would thrive and prosper in a cutthroat society where people kill and steal from each other over any tiny advantage they can get?

    It definitely didn't thrive under socialism.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    I mean, do you know what socialism is? Do you know what capitalism is? It's not really extreme in the objective sense, what is extreme is that someone can own a thing that they don't even use, and hire other people to use for them, and then them profit just because they own it. Or own land and make others pay to use or live on that land, just because they own it. I mean, I find that to be absurd in the grand scheme of things, but that is what capitalism is.

    Capitalism just feels like a very anti-social economic system

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I mean Russia did put people in space

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Whose space program caused significant dent in their already broken economy just to compete with the US. Won't call that thriving.

    Also China is not socialist. It is state a owned authoritarian capitalist country at best. It just calls itself is socialist but ranks no. 2 in total number of billionaires after the US.

    And during both regimes' socialist/communist eras, each country's individual death toll, as a result of the economic policies and the authoritarian regimes, was more than the Nazi holocaust. I won't even call that a thriving civilization let alone thriving of science.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    So how about the death toll of countries under the strain of capitalism?

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Sure capitalism has blood on its hands. But pointing to capitalist deaths doesn’t erase the catastrophic death tolls under communist regimes. It's not a competition of “which ideology killed more,” it’s about which system actually functions without collapsing or requiring authoritarian control.

    You can control capitalism with regulations. Communism historically only survives through force and collapses when markets are removed.

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