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Photo enforcement cameras (lemmy.world)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/memes@lemmy.world
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[–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I mean this in a genuine way, why in your mind those are the two options available? Total anarchy without functioning transit or cameras pointing at drivers?

There are several different ways to control traffic. If privacy is an importanr factor for a culture, they'd rank privacy respecting alternatives higher.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think the arguement is that the cameras are only there because people are running red lights. Don't you want to catch people who habitually run red lights, and therefore represent a danger to the public? If you're not the sort of person who runs the red lights then the cameras are irrelevant to you.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Don't you want to catch people who habitually run red lights, and therefore represent a danger to the public?

    If it improves safety, which it's not clear red light cameras do. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/red-light-cameras-may-not-make-streets-safer/

    If you're not the sort of person who runs the red lights then the cameras are irrelevant to you.

    This is the same argument as 'mass surveillance shouldn't matter if you have nothing to hide,' it's a fallacy that only considers some elements of the situation.

    The way we run society is relevant for all people in it. My taxes fund maintenance of these systems. I want us to work on effective prevention not bandaid punitive systems that don't improve safety.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    The SA article mentions Houston, a notoriously horrible city to drive in (concentric freeway rings, I swear). It pulled data from Texas from before 2010, and I know at least some municipalities were shortening their yellows then to encourage short stopping. It also studies changes in behavior after the punishment tool has been removed, so the drivers are already operating with years of conditioning. They even referenced the study that showed that the number of people running red lights in Virginia dropped 67% after red light cameras were installed? I need to look a little bit closer at their statistical analysis to see what confidence threshold they were using to determine that the reduction in accidents that they did see was not statistically significant, but overall I'm not that impressed by one study from a borderline pop science magazine.

    Meta-analysis is the way to go.

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