▲ 510 ▼ She's out of town and I'm cleaning her entire collection as a surprise (lemmy.world) submitted 9 months ago by ivanafterall@lemmy.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 75 comments fedilink hide all child comments I can't wait to see her face. She honestly deserves it after all she's done.
[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children) Isn't the "seasoning" PFAS? Edit: I admit, I was wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 19 points 9 months ago That's the stuff on standard non-stick pans (teflon). You don't make PFAS by burning in some oil at home. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FishFace@piefed.social 12 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, and nor is the teflon in the pans you're thinking if. PFAS is a chemical used in the manufacture of Teflon (or was, I thought they'd stopped now) not teflon itself. The problem with PFAS is accidental release and dumping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (4 children) Damn, you're right, I was thinking of PFOA not PFAS. However, I think blanket avoiding an entire class of chemicals without evidence is an overreaction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago But we do have evidence that a lot of chemicals in the PFAS family stick around for a long time, and we have evidence that they're harmful. That's enough for me to be wary of anything in that group, especially when there are easy alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How is it an overreaction if it can be done without losing anything in life? I retired all my pans with non-stick coating years ago and haven't missed them a single time and appreciate that it makes it easier to minimize the number of plastic cooking utensils my kitchen has, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago There is evidence, and there's been conspiracies around it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AliasVortex@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago Seasoning is just oil baked onto cast iron through a process called polymerization. It gives your cookware that classic black patina. Seasoning forms a natural, easy-release cooking surface and helps prevent your pan from rusting. - Lodge (as I understand it, they're the gold standard for cast iron cookware) In the case of non-stick stuff, it's less that they're seasoned with PFAS and more that they don't need seasoning because they have PFAS (at least in theory). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) The seasoning is plastic. That's what polymerized means. The F in PFAS stands for flourine which I don't think you'll have in your seasoning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) Plastics made from petroleum aren’t the same thing as heated up vegetable oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomi000@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) Did they say it was? permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, that's the opposite You can season nearly anything with oil. Except aluminum, which needs a Teflon coating or it gets nasty very fast. Except Teflon is non reactive to nearly everything Except pfas. You can dissolve Teflon in pfas and spray it onto aluminum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) ? Teflon is a PFAS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cooper8@kbin.earth 1 point 9 months ago PFAS vs PFOS permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago Yes, but not spiritually Teflon doesn't react with basically anything. It won't stick to anything but itself, which makes manufacturing difficult, initially we could only make pure Teflon pieces Every other kind of PFAS is super toxic. Some part of the molecule is reactive, usually very reactive so it sticks to things, and the rest won't react to anything. That causes nasty problems in biology Teflon itself isn't that much of a problem because even if it's around forever, it doesn't react with anything... The byproducts of working with it are what are poisoning people and causing all the problems Anything coated in Teflon are going to have the nasty shit under the Teflon so I'd generally avoid it, but the real take away is that chemical companies are just dumping this shit into water sources knowing it causes super cancer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 19 points 9 months ago That's the stuff on standard non-stick pans (teflon). You don't make PFAS by burning in some oil at home. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 12 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, and nor is the teflon in the pans you're thinking if. PFAS is a chemical used in the manufacture of Teflon (or was, I thought they'd stopped now) not teflon itself. The problem with PFAS is accidental release and dumping. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (4 children) Damn, you're right, I was thinking of PFOA not PFAS. However, I think blanket avoiding an entire class of chemicals without evidence is an overreaction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago But we do have evidence that a lot of chemicals in the PFAS family stick around for a long time, and we have evidence that they're harmful. That's enough for me to be wary of anything in that group, especially when there are easy alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How is it an overreaction if it can be done without losing anything in life? I retired all my pans with non-stick coating years ago and haven't missed them a single time and appreciate that it makes it easier to minimize the number of plastic cooking utensils my kitchen has, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago There is evidence, and there's been conspiracies around it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (4 children) Damn, you're right, I was thinking of PFOA not PFAS. However, I think blanket avoiding an entire class of chemicals without evidence is an overreaction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago But we do have evidence that a lot of chemicals in the PFAS family stick around for a long time, and we have evidence that they're harmful. That's enough for me to be wary of anything in that group, especially when there are easy alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How is it an overreaction if it can be done without losing anything in life? I retired all my pans with non-stick coating years ago and haven't missed them a single time and appreciate that it makes it easier to minimize the number of plastic cooking utensils my kitchen has, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago There is evidence, and there's been conspiracies around it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (4 children) Damn, you're right, I was thinking of PFOA not PFAS. However, I think blanket avoiding an entire class of chemicals without evidence is an overreaction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago But we do have evidence that a lot of chemicals in the PFAS family stick around for a long time, and we have evidence that they're harmful. That's enough for me to be wary of anything in that group, especially when there are easy alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How is it an overreaction if it can be done without losing anything in life? I retired all my pans with non-stick coating years ago and haven't missed them a single time and appreciate that it makes it easier to minimize the number of plastic cooking utensils my kitchen has, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago There is evidence, and there's been conspiracies around it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago But we do have evidence that a lot of chemicals in the PFAS family stick around for a long time, and we have evidence that they're harmful. That's enough for me to be wary of anything in that group, especially when there are easy alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How is it an overreaction if it can be done without losing anything in life? I retired all my pans with non-stick coating years ago and haven't missed them a single time and appreciate that it makes it easier to minimize the number of plastic cooking utensils my kitchen has, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago There is evidence, and there's been conspiracies around it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AliasVortex@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago Seasoning is just oil baked onto cast iron through a process called polymerization. It gives your cookware that classic black patina. Seasoning forms a natural, easy-release cooking surface and helps prevent your pan from rusting. - Lodge (as I understand it, they're the gold standard for cast iron cookware) In the case of non-stick stuff, it's less that they're seasoned with PFAS and more that they don't need seasoning because they have PFAS (at least in theory). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 4 points 9 months ago (1 child) The seasoning is plastic. That's what polymerized means. The F in PFAS stands for flourine which I don't think you'll have in your seasoning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) Plastics made from petroleum aren’t the same thing as heated up vegetable oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomi000@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) Did they say it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 9 months ago (1 child) Plastics made from petroleum aren’t the same thing as heated up vegetable oil. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tomi000@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) Did they say it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) Did they say it was? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 child) No, that's the opposite You can season nearly anything with oil. Except aluminum, which needs a Teflon coating or it gets nasty very fast. Except Teflon is non reactive to nearly everything Except pfas. You can dissolve Teflon in pfas and spray it onto aluminum permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) ? Teflon is a PFAS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cooper8@kbin.earth 1 point 9 months ago PFAS vs PFOS permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago Yes, but not spiritually Teflon doesn't react with basically anything. It won't stick to anything but itself, which makes manufacturing difficult, initially we could only make pure Teflon pieces Every other kind of PFAS is super toxic. Some part of the molecule is reactive, usually very reactive so it sticks to things, and the rest won't react to anything. That causes nasty problems in biology Teflon itself isn't that much of a problem because even if it's around forever, it doesn't react with anything... The byproducts of working with it are what are poisoning people and causing all the problems Anything coated in Teflon are going to have the nasty shit under the Teflon so I'd generally avoid it, but the real take away is that chemical companies are just dumping this shit into water sources knowing it causes super cancer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) ? Teflon is a PFAS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cooper8@kbin.earth 1 point 9 months ago PFAS vs PFOS permalink fedilink source parent [–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago Yes, but not spiritually Teflon doesn't react with basically anything. It won't stick to anything but itself, which makes manufacturing difficult, initially we could only make pure Teflon pieces Every other kind of PFAS is super toxic. Some part of the molecule is reactive, usually very reactive so it sticks to things, and the rest won't react to anything. That causes nasty problems in biology Teflon itself isn't that much of a problem because even if it's around forever, it doesn't react with anything... The byproducts of working with it are what are poisoning people and causing all the problems Anything coated in Teflon are going to have the nasty shit under the Teflon so I'd generally avoid it, but the real take away is that chemical companies are just dumping this shit into water sources knowing it causes super cancer permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago Yes, but not spiritually Teflon doesn't react with basically anything. It won't stick to anything but itself, which makes manufacturing difficult, initially we could only make pure Teflon pieces Every other kind of PFAS is super toxic. Some part of the molecule is reactive, usually very reactive so it sticks to things, and the rest won't react to anything. That causes nasty problems in biology Teflon itself isn't that much of a problem because even if it's around forever, it doesn't react with anything... The byproducts of working with it are what are poisoning people and causing all the problems Anything coated in Teflon are going to have the nasty shit under the Teflon so I'd generally avoid it, but the real take away is that chemical companies are just dumping this shit into water sources knowing it causes super cancer permalink fedilink source parent
