▲ 510 ▼ She's out of town and I'm cleaning her entire collection as a surprise (lemmy.world) submitted 9 months ago by ivanafterall@lemmy.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 75 comments fedilink hide all child comments I can't wait to see her face. She honestly deserves it after all she's done.
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 4 points 9 months ago (4 children) Damn, you're right, I was thinking of PFOA not PFAS. However, I think blanket avoiding an entire class of chemicals without evidence is an overreaction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago But we do have evidence that a lot of chemicals in the PFAS family stick around for a long time, and we have evidence that they're harmful. That's enough for me to be wary of anything in that group, especially when there are easy alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How is it an overreaction if it can be done without losing anything in life? I retired all my pans with non-stick coating years ago and haven't missed them a single time and appreciate that it makes it easier to minimize the number of plastic cooking utensils my kitchen has, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago There is evidence, and there's been conspiracies around it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago But we do have evidence that a lot of chemicals in the PFAS family stick around for a long time, and we have evidence that they're harmful. That's enough for me to be wary of anything in that group, especially when there are easy alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) That kind of thinking applies to any chemical though, surely permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Well if we have evidence of that sure, but in the case of PTFE for example (which is a PFAS) we don't have that, so banning it seems just as nonsensical. Yos be banning it because it might be harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) How is it an overreaction if it can be done without losing anything in life? I retired all my pans with non-stick coating years ago and haven't missed them a single time and appreciate that it makes it easier to minimize the number of plastic cooking utensils my kitchen has, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) there is nothing as non-stick as non-stick coatings; some alternatives come close, but you are still losing something what about other applications of PTFE? PTFE tape for sealing pipes, PTFE feet on computer mice, PTFE-based lubricant, electrical insulation, ... the uses are many. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Yeah but if I use stainless steel pans, I can use stainless steel wool to clean them, so the sticking doesn't really matter aa much when it does happen, plus cooking techniques can reduce or eliminate sticking even on stainless steel. So I'll adjust to say I'm not losing anything I value. And I don't have a huge issue with it being used on things that doesn't touch our skin or food/water often. And my goal is to minimize exposure in this plastic world. I understand that at least some restaurants (if not most that use pans) probably use nonstick pans and that I'm getting exposed to BPA every time I touch a receipt. So I don't use those pans at home and don't let receipts linger in my hands and use gloves when going through a bunch of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 1 point 9 months ago (1 child) Cool, I'm not gonna tell you you must use teflon pans, but I think we were talking about bans... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Looking back at the thread, bans were mentioned, but the context that I was following looked like it was about wanting to go beyond what's banned because the industry just rotates in variations of the chemicals whenever specific ones are banned. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 point 9 months ago There is evidence, and there's been conspiracies around it. permalink fedilink source parent